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Survivors of the Scharnhorst

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  1. Watspoon

    Watspoon New Member

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    Hey guys, I was just wondering whether any Scharnhorst survivors are still alive.
     
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    Hello Watspoon welcome to the Forums! I am not sure if there are any of the (30 something was it?) survivors left....
     
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    Alright thanks, sad to see that so few WWII veterans are still with us, such as Bernhard Heuer on the Bismarck.
     
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    According to this site, only ten were still alive in 2008. It's unlikely that any are still alive. Axis Re-enactment forum
     
  6. Watspoon

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    Alright, I believe Matrosen Obergefreiter Wilhelm "Willi" Alsen is still alive

    I concluded this after looking for a painting of all things of the Scharnhorst.
    They have a small bio about him as he signed a couple paintings. The one I was looking at was also signed by Erich Rudorffer and it showed he died in 2016, meaning it must have been recently updated. This could mean He is still alive, but I am not too certain.
    Anyways I hope he is, and if he is best of luck to him

    Source Matrosen Obgefreiter Wilhelm Alsen - Naval art with the signature of Matrosen Obgefreiter Wilhelm Alsen


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    I believe that none of the 36 survivors are still alive.
    Horst Zaubitzer, whom became chief of the fire department,
    in Leverkusen died in Cologne last year. I have been in
    contact with several of the families of the survivors, both
    in Germany, and the U.S.A. Of the 36 survivors, 8 were
    sent to Canadian P.O.W camps in early 1944. I can however
    only account for 7. The 7th. Johann (Johnny)Merkle was
    added to the removal list from England to Canada at the
    last minute. He would settle in the U.S.A and died in Florida
    in 2000. Survivor Gunther Strater was repatriated via the
    Red Cross, and used by the German propaganda machine.
    27 survivors were sent to the U.S.A as P.O.W.s and returned
    to Germany, via Britain at the end of WW2. Johann Kastenholz,
    became involved in trucking, and opened a hotel in the Eifel
    region of Germany.
    I have recently done some research, which was included in a
    recently published book. "Castaways of the Kriegsmarine"
    written by Derek Nudd. Derek is a naval historian, and his
    book contains much information of the interrogation of the
    Scharnhorst survivors at Latimer House, before being sent
    to Canada, and the U.S.A.
    You may find a couple of references to the Scharnhorst
    on the web interesting.
    Lance Shippey Scharnhorst (Marinequest)
    Lance Shippey The winding tale of a German P.O.W.
    from Windsor Ontario.
    Lance Shippey Duke of York, message board Marinequest.

    Happy reading.

    Lance Shippey
    U.K.
     
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    Information received by bugging cells of Schrnhorst survivors at Latimer house brought some
    interesting results. During a conversation between two survivors on 29th January 1944, One
    of them said "If we win the war, the politicians will all have to change their jobs. HITLER will be
    chancellor, ROOSEVELT minister for foreign affairs, STALIN minister of labour, and CHURCHILL
    minister of war." The other survivor in the cell commented "That would be fine, there would never
    be another war then". "If those four were to work together , the World would become united".
    I recently saw some men from the Scharnhorst who have come back from the Eastern Front, and
    are now in the Tirpitz.
    The details of these facts are from MI 19a C.S.D.I.C (U.K.) S.R. Report dated 29th Jan.44.
    Document S.R.N. 2871. Concerning P.O.W.'s N2138 and N2141 captured 26th Dec 43.

    One of the two men [N2141] had served in TIRPITZ till 25th Dec. 1943 and then transferred to
    Scharnhorst. Konteradmiral Bey had been on-board TIRPITZ on the 25th Dec. probably because
    TIRPITZ had a secure telephone land line to German Naval headquarters which Scharnhorst had
    not. konteradmiral Bey took a few chosen men from the TIRPITZ to join him on Scharnhorst.
    The boat transferring Bey and the men left later than anticipated, and delayed the sailing of the
    Scharnhorst by around an hour.

    In a bugged conversation logged 23rd Jan 44. between the same two men, gave British Naval
    Intelligence a little more information about TIRPITZ. (Document S.R.N.2836) The TIRPITZ
    would be sunk after bombing by R.A.F. Lancaster's on 12 Nov.1944.

    Lance Shippey
    U.K.
     

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