Those points are addressed in the citation provided.....this thread is about taxes and what are best and worst.....I am pointing out details that may make it best or worst........I never said I wanted unjustified welfare and I am not against welfare reform. However I find any mention of welfare does not bring about any ideas for reform......instead it becomes the scapegoat of every one's witnessed abuse. I do not like welfare abuse. I will say that the recipients have to fill out a lot of information documenting their condition and I am not against that either. When it goes to corporate entities there are often no requirements to justify what they receive and I would also add it is passed out without any goals at all for accomplishing anything as it is often there for the taking arranged by lobbyists in the fine print of bills and actually has no GOAL in many cases. If you aren't liking cool-aid or taxes,,,,,,wouldn't you want to know the greatest areas of waste? attack them first? I also will point out that there was once and I emphasize once when the welfare reform was effective........followed by a long period of inattention until things returned to some of the previous abuse because politicians let things go instead of prescribing necessary changes to prevent abuse. To stop abuse, there has to be an ongoing attention to details, politicians will not look at anything that threatens the interests of the lobbyists but they will readily and easily attack the poor because people sit around drinking and sharing the COOL-AID.