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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by Ben Dover, Nov 12, 2016.

  1. Brian Smith

    Brian Smith Active Member

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    Snob value only, we all know the Eton and Oxbridge brigade do not live in the real world. so to suggest our destiny should remain in their hands is irresponsible. These decisions have to be taken by those who actually understand the realities of day to day life,

    When did you and Tony team up your thoughts in his mouth almost credible until you realize what the guy represents.

    (Mentioned the remain word but think I got away with it)
     
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  2. Brian Smith

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    Now is the moment when we learn just how relevant the House of Lords is to the population of the UK.

    Having had a National referendum allowing everyone to choose Remain or Leave, a decision made in the House of Commons to deliver the will of the majority of the people who voted it is time for the Lords to show just how in touch or out of touch they are with democracy.
     
  3. m kenny

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    Err that is the purpose of The Lords. To scrutinise and be a check on The Commons. Now many have claimed it could be done better by an elected Upper House but we are where we are. Right Whingers absolutely detest any form of dissent from their blinkered view and you only have to look at their hysterical reaction to The Supreme Court Judgement that went against them to see how they have no qualms about attacking the very foundation of our Judicial System when it dares to hold them to account. Rules is for others and not them 'cos they is in the right
    Given the below average educational qualifications of the majority of Brexiters this type of boorish behaviour is to be expected
     
  4. Skipper

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    Gosh, I've been away for a week and this is still going on . [​IMG]
     
  5. GRW

    GRW Pillboxologist WW2|ORG Editor

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    When you consider how many of them have a vested financial interest in the vote, you'd think they'd have the decency to abstain-
    "Peers with generous EU retirement packages were last night urged to declare them publicly before intervening in this week’s Lords debate on the Brexit Bill.
    More than 20 peers who worked in Brussels built up lavish EU pensions.
    They include Labour's Lord Mandelson who will receive almost £35,000 a year thanks to his former job as trade commissioner."
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4240556/Lords-told-declare-EU-pensions-ahead-Brexit-debate.html#ixzz4ZEgri2uq
     
  6. Brian Smith

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    Unlike the remoaners who cannot accept the result of a free democratic vote. The lack of intelligence that leads them to believe Brexit will not happen is, if it was not coming from Blair and his cronies be taken to be fake news. But of course his credibility is on a par with all the rest who think they can change this, now that is boorish and shows just where a top education gets you in the real world.

    Most people when they get to the bottom of the pit stop digging, but remoaners all lining up with their spades to dig a deeper hole for themselves. Will make a lovely bunker once the ties are cut.
     
  7. m kenny

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    This is the right-whingers answer to every criticism. If you dare beard them on any issue they trot out the same idiotic argument.

    The Right-Wing Press Is Using Brexit To Beat Anyone Who Doesn’t Agree With Their Single-Minded Rhetoric
    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/douglas-lloyd/daily-mail-telegraph-brexit-single-minded_b_12799830.html

    Simple answers for simple folks!

    The enraged villagers of Brexitville recently marched on the UK courts when they thought the Judges might be going to put some limits on their (they believe) god-given right to brush aside all opposition and impose anything they want on the rest of us. The right-wing rags joined in and we had a full-scale assault on the Courts with front page headlines like 'Enemies Of The People' with photos of the Judges BEFORE they had made their decision.

    The Brexitville pitchfork wielding mob have taken the lead from trump and they viciously attack and slander individual Judges in order to bully them into doing their bidding. Thankfully the Judges told then to f*ck off (metaphorically) and the campaign of intimidation did not work.
    Now the attention is on the Lords. The UK has 3 checks on Power. The Commons, House Of lords and The Law. Because the simple folk of Brexitville have won round 1 in the Commons they are mortified that the other two branches can have any say in the matter and they have relentlessly attacked anyone who stands in their way. Brexitville does not care about democracy. It want to imposes its version of 'democracy' (what I say goes, you have no say in anything). That are not democrats but autocrats.


    One of the more rabid looney right wing rags (owned by the pornographer Richard Desmond) has even been forced to run 2 front page corrections of the lies it told about Brexit.

    Daily Express forced to correct its lies twice in a week
    http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/daily-express-forced-to-run-second-front-page-correction-over-anti-eu-coverage-in-space-of-a-week/
     
  8. m kenny

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    The biggest drain on EU finds is UKIP. Presently under investigation for fraud and the head of the Organisation that is under investigation for giving UKIP the EU money it was not entitled to has fled to the UK. She is presently living with a man called Nigel Farage-Trumps buddy!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2801142/politician-living-with-nigel-farage-says-english-women-are-tarts-and-the-french-make-better-mistresses-in-email-rant-with-his-lover/
     
  9. Brian Smith

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    At long last we get to the point of the Remaoners case against Brexit - standing up for democracy is an idiotic argument. Well good to see the last few weeks has not been a complete waste of time. Now I know I can sleep easy at night as unlike the Bemoaners I see a strong and long future for democracy in the UK no matter what steps some will take to kill it.

    Now I have seen your true colours I can go with the confidence Brexit will be delivered.
     
  10. m kenny

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    Yep there it is again. The refrain of the (mostly) poorly educated over 50's.
    The article linked said:

    For those who have read the judgment, it is difficult to do anything but admire the careful consideration of Parliamentary sovereignty. The judgment takes us on a whirlwind tour of constitutional principles, citing great British jurists such as Coke and Dicey. Critics suggesting the judges were out of touch with the will of the people clearly neglected the court’s reference to Dicey’s masterful analysis of Parliamentary sovereignty, from 1915: “The judges know nothing of any will of the people except insofar as that will is expressed by an Act of Parliament.” There is nothing undemocratic about ensuring law is made by Parliament. The court simply, and correctly, ruled that law is made by Parliament and not by kings, tyrants or Prime Ministers, even when they invoke “popular will”. Parliament, mindful of the referendum result, will rightly decide the next step. Not judges, not the media.
     
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    And..........
     
  12. m kenny

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    You and your ilk were the pitchfork wielding posse who (metaphorically) laid siege to the courthouse. It means the lynch-mob were in possession of 'alternate facts' or as ordinary folk would say 'fed a load of bollocks'


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    Nearly overlooked this understated reply as it did not include your usual references to loony fruitcakes, bronze age, lack of education and this is the right-whingers answer to every criticism. You must be slipping.

    I do wonder if you actually understand all this stuff you cut and paste on to these pages, your article is accompanied by press cuttings and pictures of Judges but quite clearly says Parliament, mindful of the referendum result, will rightly decide the next step. Not judges, not the media.

    Just listened to some half baked lord spouting off about protecting EU rights for those who voted to remain, he is even going to discuss it with the EU. A simple minded remoaner who thinks specific individuals can get protected rights. I assume he has a list of names of those who voted to remain for the EU to consider? What weird and unworkable ideas will these people dream up next.
     
  14. m kenny

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    You are struggling her.
    Let me try the KISS version.

    Before the Judgers the plan was May would decide everything and Parliament would have no ability to say 'Yes or No' on anything she decided to do.
    It was never going to be put to Parliament.
    The Case was brought because the complainant wanted PARLIAMENT to decide on the issues and not just The Prime Minister.
    The Judges declared that law is made by Parliament and not by Prime Ministers.

    The demented pitchfork wielding inhabitants of Brexitville (being less well educated than most) got confused and then were goaded by the right-wing looney fruitcake Press into authoritarian attacks on the Judges.

    Not my fault you can't understand what was going on!
     
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    Imagine that. Someone believing that the other half of the country should have some say in the matter.
    Why don't they understand they have no rights at all here and you and the pitchfork-wielding mates are going to make then do exactly what you want them to do. As you said 'who thinks specific individuals can get protected rights'.
    They should think themselves lucky you even allow then to stay in The UK!
     
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    Lefty keeps telling us how smart it is... Not smart enough to tell which way the wind is blowing though.
    "Colleges are places where pebbles are polished, and diamonds are dimmed"- Robert Green Ingersol
    We have a saying- You can lead a horse to water, but can't make it drink.
    Similarly- you can take a boy to college, but can't make him think.
    Common sense is not so common.
    Yada yada...
    Time will tell...no amount of the crying will change the way things are now.
    Brexit, Trump are the beginning of the end for lefty. Don't need a degree to see it.
     
  17. m kenny

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    Au contraire mon ami. I see no need to articulate that which is obvious to all.


    KISS version for the Europhobes-No need to state the obvious!
     
  18. Brian Smith

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    I am very clear what is going on we are leaving the EU. It is the remaoners who cannot get their heads around the fact and still believe in their highly educated, not the real world way they can do something about it.


    m kenny, on 21 Feb 2017 - 6:05 PM, said:



    Imagine that. Someone believing that the other half of the country should have some say in the matter.
    Why don't they understand they have no rights at all here and you and the pitchfork-wielding mates are going to make then do exactly what you want them to do. As you said 'who thinks specific individuals can get protected rights'.
    They should think themselves lucky you even allow then to stay in The UK!

    Where they live is up to them but you sidestep the stupidity of the thought he can go to the EU and say, these people votes to remain give the protected status, these people did not so we can ignore then. It a typical remain answer to the question of leaving the EU, like mummy's apron strings they have to have something to hang on to.

    The problem with this is it is obvious to everyone but you.
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    I have no problems with information.
    The facts clearly show that the good folk of Brexitville are mainly over 50 and at the bottom end of the education league.
     
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    Come on Celtic cousin, let's keep our energy and eyeballs on the politicians, rather than each other. It's more than plain which side of the arguement most of us are on. Tell me more of what's happening in the beautiful Emerald Isle (I've got to visit one of these days, what part you from?). Political change is coming and will have it's impact. What do you think of the candidates up North and there seems to be discord politically in the South.

    Curious what's happening over the water in France, especially these investigations into the far right candidates. Le Penns body guard etc being questioned by police today I see http://www.france24.com/en/20170222-france-le-pen-aides-questioned-police-custody-graft-probe
     

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