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Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Western Front & Atlan' started by T. A. Gardner, Aug 26, 2004.

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  1. Polak z Polski

    Polak z Polski Member

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    Taken advantage? Jumped over Czechoslovakia?

    Let me straighten out your history here.
    In 1920 Lenin tried to "probe Europe with the bayonets of the red army" He wanted to take all of Europe, and spread communism through all of it. There was one obstacle in his way, namely Poland. He wanted to use Poland as a bridge into the rest of Europe.
    The USSR launched a massive attack, quickly sweeping aside the patchwork Polish army (remember, Poland had been on the map again for only 2 years) all the way to the gates of Warszawa. Around that time, Czechoslovakia decided to take a chunk of Poland. The red army looked like it was going to surge through Europe.
    Now Pilsudski mounted a spectacular counterattack, routing the Russians, and chasing them back, while retaking Polish land stolen by Russia a century ago. After, Pilsudski took back what the Czechs had just stolen. Pilsudski also allowed quite a lot of freedoms in Poland, and is hated by anti-semites, who call him "Jew-lover"

    Here is a good site about Pilsudski
     
  2. Friedrich

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    Indeed, Polak…

    Poor little Poland was a victim, raped, sold, betrayed by all her horrible neighbours and Allies… those bastards! [​IMG]
     
  3. Kai-Petri

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    Polak,

    probably the Red Army would have attacked west sooner or later but it seems to me Pilsudski was not that innocent really, or was he?

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    http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/uniform/ussrpoland1919.htm

    Although there had been hostilities between the two countries during 1919, the conflict began when the Polish head of state Józef Pilsudski formed an alliance with the Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petlyura (April 21, 1920) and their combined forces began to overrun Ukraine, occupying Kiev on May 7. In June the Soviet Red Army launched a counteroffensive, reaching the former Polish border by the end of July.

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  4. Stefan

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    It is always interesting to see a patriots view of history compared to that of those not of their lands.
     
  5. Polak z Polski

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    When you see the enemy gathering strength and know that he will soon attack, you strike first.

    Pilsudski was a pretty good guy. He has been most often described as a benevolent dictator.
     
  6. Polak z Polski

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    By the way, I think taking back what is yours is a good thing.
     
  7. Kai-Petri

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    Does this mean that Poland should have given Danzig and the corridor to Hitler in 1939??

    From net encyclopedia:

    "Polish Corridor, strip of German territory awarded to newly independent Poland by the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. "

    http://www.answers.com/topic/polish-corridor
     
  8. Polak z Polski

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    1500

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    Partitions
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    To give back, you have to have taken something first. Poland obviously didn't take what wasn't it's own, so Gdansk and the corridor should not have been given up to hitler.
     
  9. Polak z Polski

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    Hitler just had a voracious apetite.


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  10. Kai-Petri

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    Wow! Lithuania used to be a huge country...

    :eek:
     
  11. Polak z Polski

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    That was the commonwealth
     
  12. Polak z Polski

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    A large part of the credit of the commonwealth's amazing military success was the husaria. I love reading about their battles.

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    Among my favorites are Chocim, Kircholm, Klushino and Vienna.
     
  13. Wojownik

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    Czesc Polak!

    Me too!
     
  14. Wojownik

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    This is a neat site about the Husaria

    I especially like the shield. When you move your mouse over it, there is a movie of the Husaria moving at speed.
     
  15. Polak z Polski

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    Czesc Wojownik
    Yes, I have been to that site many times before. It is beautifully done.
     
  16. Heartland

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    So what you are saying is, you would be totally okay with Lithuania, Germany and Hungary reducing Poland back to what is was on those maps from the 1500s?
     
  17. Kai-Petri

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    Why not join Mongolia (and Genghis Khan) then...(mostly a Russian problem I guess )

    :eek: ;) [​IMG]

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    The full extent of the Mongol Empire, with their homeland in black.


    http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/hwr32.htm

    THE MONGOLS WITHDRAW

    It was a quirk of destiny which saved Europe and its peoples from complete extermination at the hands of the Mongols. In December 1241, the Asiatic army had just started on their final drive westwards, marching across the frozen Danube River, when a messenger arrived from their homeland in Mongolia - the successor to Genghis Khan had died. Then and there, the Mongol army turned around and withdrew back to the east. Leaderless, they were never to penetrate into central Europe again.
     
  18. Friedrich

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    I wonder how would it turn if the British went back to India and the Spanish to America? :rolleyes:
     
  19. Polak z Polski

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    Let me say it again. That was the Commonwealth, back when Poland and Lithuania fought under one banner, and were one kingdom.
    Many times it is just called Poland, since it ruled by a Polish king, and with the capital at Warszawa.
    Lithuania and Hungary are Poland's two best friends, and have been for a very long time.


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    Older info below
    Our soldiers again serve together today, and along with several other Central European soldiers, in Iraq.
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    Siły stabilizacyjne w Iraku:
    oczekiwany skład oraz liczebność

    Dowództwo amerykańskie Strefa Północna
    Personel : 150 000
    Dowództwo polskie
    Strefa środkowa Dowództwo brytyjskie
    Strefa południowa
    POLSKA: brygada - 2 300 żołnierzy
    BUŁGARIA: 500 żołnierzy - batalion saperów
    DOMINIKANA: kilkudziesięciu żołnierzy
    FIDŻI: 700 żołnierzy
    HONDURAS: kilkudziesięciu żołnierzy
    ŁOTWA: 145 żołnierzy
    MONGOLIA: 120 żołnierzy
    SALWADOR: kilkudziesięciu żołnierzy
    SŁOWACJA: 77 żołnierzy
    HISZPANIA: brygada – 1 300 żołnierzy
    UKRAINA: brygada – 1 640 żołnierzy
    WĘGRY: 500 żołnierzy – batalion logistyczny WIELKA BRYTANIA: 11 000 żołnierzy
    DANIA: 400 żołnierzy
    HOLANDIA: 1 100 żołnierzy
    LITWA: 43 żołnierzy
    NORWEGIA: spodziewana obecność kontyngentu
    NOWA ZELANDIA: spodziewana obecność kontyngentu
    PORTUGALIA: 120 policjantów
    RUMUNIA: spodziewana obecność kontyngentu w ramach dywizji brytyjskiej oraz polskiej
    REP. CZESKA: żandarmeria i szpital polowy
    WŁOCHY: 800 żołnierzy i policjantów
    Dane z 25.07.03

    LITPOLBAT and POLUKRBAT are two joint batallions, as you may have guessed.
     
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