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  1. sniper1946

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    A former member of the austere Dogme group of Danish film-makers, Ole Christian Madsen offers a convincing, fact-based story of two young Danes, the fiery, red-headed Bent, code-name Flame (Thure Lindhardt) and the calm, bespectacled Jørgen, code-name Citron (Mads Mikkelsen, who played Le Chiffre in Casino Royale), the chief assassins of the Resistance during the German occupation. Denmark was occupied from April 1940 until VE Day in May 1945, and the history of that fraught period is immensely complicated, politically and morally, due to the curious relationship between the two countries. The movie is full of tense encounters and suspenseful killings as Flame and Citron receive their instructions from their boss in Copenhagen, the underground chiefs in Stockholm and the SOE in London, stalk their prey, attend clandestine meetings, chain-smoke and examine their consciences.

    The action takes place in 1944 when nerves are fraying, the civilian government has been replaced by martial law, liberation appears close at hand, the Gestapo is tightening the screws, and the politicians are preparing for post-war life. The Establishment regards Flame and Citron as unsophisticated patriots, loose cannons whose usefulness is at an end. It's a chilling story, coolly executed, about morality, expediency and realpolitik and well worth seeing. A couple of minutes' background reading will enhance your enjoyment,looks a good film...opinions if seen....
     
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    Hi Ray, this sounds like an interesting movie. I heard on another site that a possible movie to be made was one dealing with the assassination of Reinhard Heydrich. I heard that the Guy who recently played 007 is going to be approached for the role of Heydrich. That ought to be interesting.
     
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    sounds interesting carl,I'll keep a look out for it..have you seen this one covering the same subject! "operation daybreak" (1975)

    As with other war films around this time, the problems of dramatic reconstruction are never reconciled with those of historical perspective. Based on the assassination in 1941 of Reinhard Heydrich (the Nazi leader in Czechoslovakia) and the subsequent German reprisals, the film unhappily mixes scrupulous accuracy with too much shoddily-rendered suspense. Apart from Anton Diffring's Heydrich, the characters are painted in black and white, so that the film falls apart when one of the freedom fighters unconvincingly becomes a turncoat. Only in the last ten minutes or so, with the final shootout and death of the last two assassins....ray..
     
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    I have that movie on the movie channel on demand here in Canada which is surprising to me!!!

    Seeing a ww2 foreign movie on a major movie network?? Canada's diversity is paying off! lol

    So is this movie kinda like Inglorious bastards? I mean as far as the gore and violence is concerned??? I'm planning on watching it regardless but i'm not into movies with unnecessary graphic stuff.. like scalping someone's head... gross!

    But i'll watch hours of real life war documentaries , holocaust videos, movies with violent war scenes where bodies get blown up and shot up everywhere... yet inclorious bastards makes my stomach turn.. lol

    yea I know i'm weird
     
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    No, the shootings are pretty "sterile" and there´s not like a 100 kgs ketchup around, and no scalping. Towards the end there is the tendency to bring 100-150 German soldiers to catch two resistant fighters which explains the number of guns and shooting, especially as there´s also the famous MG42 around, though more damage is done to the houses by that rapid fire MG.
     
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    just watched it, and as kai said! recommend it, very good film..

    [YOUTUBE]_TTZ9X2LG5Q[/YOUTUBE] :)
     
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    Oddly enough I noticed this film on DVD at a local supermarket today. Maybe I should give it a go.........
     
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    Worth buying Martin ;)
     
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    I recorded it from sky, a few days ago, and at long last, watched it.. 10/10

    * OFFOFFOFF film review FLAME AND CITRON (Flammen & Citronen) Danish movie by Ole Christian Madsen with Thure Lindhardt, Mads Mikkelsen, Stine Stengade, Peter Mygind, Mille Lehfeldt, Christian Berkel, Hanns Zischler written by Lars Andersen, Ole Chri

    Flame and Citron explains very little about the characters and their true circumstances, makes plain none of the motivations of the people involved (especially Hoffman, who comes off as more than reasonable), and allows no easy answers for questions that will be asked as long as humans are willing to organize into large groups to kill each other. War is catastrophic for the soldier, robbing them of limbs and sanity for the benefit of those who avoid getting dirty. Nationalism is no less damaging to the citizen, as resistance fighters will find themselves without a country, and bereft of the support of their neighbors. Perhaps this sounds too cynical to be useful, but our species is a strange one, equal parts selfish and gregarious. By the end of this film, you may find yourself wondering what the legacy of these two fighters amounts to. Were their sacrifices worth the effort? The film raises more questions than it could ever answer, just the way essential film should.
     
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    Sometimes even the big money films don´t catch that certain feeling that makes you want to watch the film further on.This film has it, in my opinion.
     
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    absolutely agree, kai. I know it's only a minor thing, but subtitles are a pain, but that does'nt detract from it being a very good film..engrossing! yes..
     
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    Looks good. Have to watch it!

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    I hope you already have. It´s very good!
     
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    Hi Ray, Kai,

    Im about to place an order this afternoon as a matter of facto-along with that new Flynn Boxrd Set. Ill be ordering them soon as I leave the library in about an hour ;-)) Ive read a little bit about the movie and does sound like something up my alley. I alreadt checked prices on it and DDDVD is the cheapest found so far. DDDVD has it for $13.59 which is cheaper than TCM and a few other places.
     
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    good luck with getting the movie, carl..ray.
     
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    Thanks and, I forgot to write down DDDvD.coms phone number before I left the library. My cell phone was stolen last week and I had the number on that phone. Grrr.
     
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    The film is both action-packed and thought provoking.
    The pre-publicity caused a stir in Denmark apparently because it claimed to explore the two men's actions in the context of "terrorism".
    Unlike the early resistants in France, who were largely involved in producing underground newspapers etc, Flame and Citroen quickly set themselves up as assassins.
    The film does explore the effect that killing people at close quarters has on the two men, but it very definitely depicts them as heroes. Flawed, perhaps, but heroes nonetheless.
    Recommended.
     

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