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Discussion in 'Free Fire Zone' started by KodiakBeer, May 1, 2014.

  1. KodiakBeer

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    Seems to be locked up. No can view. :(:_?:
     
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    I just uploaded to YouTube because WWII wouldn't accept my Facebook URL or let me upload as a file. It may take a while for YouTube to get done processing (or whatever they do). I can see it fine. Let me know if you still can't see it later. It features sexy women shooting binary triggers, so you'll definitely want to watch. OK, I'm lying about the sexy women, but it does feature me testing out the binary trigger.

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    Message I get is :This video is private, FWIW
     
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    Let me try again. It should be visible now.

     
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    That'll leave a mark.......
     
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    Funny? Lately I've been researching the tools of the Resistance and front line night fighters and it occurred to me how little firepower is needed when the goal is to take out someone who is unaware.
     
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    Dude, if you are making bullet launchers, try to fashion a BAR look a like, chambered for .12ga shotgun shells. With a bayonet lug of course. How much would something like that cost?
     
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    You'd need a complete machine shop for a BAR. Right now, because ARs are popular, and ARs are modular, you can buy parts that fit that pattern. Lately, 9mm builds are a thing so a hundred companies are making downsized parts for pistol calibers, but they are still AR pattern that assemble like an AR. There is a lot of variety within that, like side chargers (unlike the rear-charging AR), but even though the exterior doesn't look like an AR, the barrel, the stock, the upper and lower, the interior parts still assemble like an AR.
    I tried to build this one like a Thompson and indeed, it operates pretty much like a Thompson and the dimensions are pretty much like a Thompson, but it doesn't look like a Thompson, and of course the weight is less than half that of a Thompson. Still, with a careful eye on the ATF regulations and minimal mechanical skill you can build some fun guns. The lower receiver is the part that is registered as a firearm and you must order that through an FFL with the paperwork that involves. Everything else can be ordered right to your door. You need a couple of specialized tools that aren't very expensive, and if you want to paint it you need an airbrush and a wife that will allow you to bake on the specialized gun paints in her oven.
    I really like this latest gun. My first attempt was the Hoyt-Clagwell Avenger, Mark II, which is so ugly that it's beautiful.


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    im weird with the details.
    would the 10 round mag give you 15 rounds...and the 20 give a very heavy 25 rounds because it stores 5 in the tube as well?
    or is the tube not usable because there is a magazine in there.
    would have liked to see him shoot from the hip with that puppy. looks like a lot of fun.
    watched some video about half sized 12 gauge shells. they were 1.5 inches tall and carried a mixture of buck and smaller pellets.
    they did not cycle well in a pump.
    they did ok on penetration tests within 7 yards.
    the reviewer said they were about half as effective as the 2/34 shells.
    reviewer didnt mention costs of both.
    using a single or double barrel would work fine for the shorts.
    i could see plinking with the smaller ones. or for rats etc where a full load isnt needed, and a guy wants to save some money.
    even for home defense, the shorts would deter anyone within 5 yards.
    any comments?
     
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    Those short shotgun shells are made by Aguila. They DO function in some pump guns, but not in others. I don't recall which ones. Some people really like them because you can fit more shells in the tube and you get less recoil.

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    lets see if i can do this:
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    the cost savings. how much per mini shell vs full?
    thinking cost is what drives it.
     
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    I've always wondered how reliably the mini shells feed. Never tried them.

    An old pump-action Mossberg in the closet seems more than adequate for me.
     
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    Nah, it's having more shots that drives the popularity, that and having lower recoil. Even that mini shell holds eleven #4 buckshot. Each #4 is about .24 caliber, so if you shot an intruder he's likely dead. Yet, you still have a lot more shots on tap should there be a group of bad guys. If you have a five shot tube on your pump gun, it will hold eight or nine mini shells. This is the perfect gun for gramps or granny. It's low recoil so they can handle it, and plenty of extra shots if they miss or have a group of trouble makers.

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    Or they could ring the police...or run away...
     
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    And they may be dead when the police show up twenty minutes later. Police, as hard as they try, usually can't stop a crime. They can only fill out the paperwork and try to catch the perpetrators after the fact. In the United States, deadly force is authorized, even expected when intruders enter an occupied dwelling. You can't run out on the sidewalk and kill somebody trying to steal your car (unless they point a gun or something at you), but once they force their way through your door you can shoot them dead and the police will pat you on the back for it. Entering an occupied dwelling is considered Home Invasion, not simple burglary. There will be an investigation to rule out that you didn't lure them in for sport or something, but once that's over you just mop up the blood and carry on.

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    I suspect that homeowner will be prosecuted unless the intruder in the yard attacked him when challenged. The deadly force law in nearly every state is "threat of death or grave bodily injury" (or legal words to that effect). This is why I like concealed carry laws. You are required not only to show proficiency in safe gun handling, but have to take legal classes that teach you the legal ramifications of drawing or shooting a gun when the threat of death of grave bodily injury is not present. Some tweaker stealing your lawnmower is not a threat, unless said tweaker picks up a knife or heavy object and comes at you.

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