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the reason of German defeat

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  1. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

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    It's more like:

    Germany lacked the industrial power of her enemies, singly and in combination, mainly through her own incompetence.

    Germany could not build enough fighters and bombers to ever hope to gain air superiority.

    Germany could not efficently exploit what oil and other resources they had and did little or nothing to expand those resources when they became available through conquest.

    Germany was not a sea power and a Guerre de Course using U-boats as a substitute would not succeed against the two greatest sea powers on the planet.

    Germany's leadership was anti-technology oriented and held back critical developments like radar, jet aircraft and, guided weapons.

    Yes, the list is much longer but, a good deal of Germany's problems were self-inflicted due to the nature of the Nazi system that promoted incompetence, personal politics and, a cult of personality among its leadership.
     
  2. Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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    It's more like:

    Germany lacked the industrial power of her enemies, singly and in combination, mainly through her own incompetence.

    Germany could not build enough fighters and bombers to ever hope to gain air superiority.

    Germany could not efficently exploit what oil and other resources they had and did little or nothing to expand those resources when they became available through conquest.

    Germany was not a sea power and a Guerre de Course using U-boats as a substitute would not succeed against the two greatest sea powers on the planet.

    Germany's leadership was anti-technology oriented and held back critical developments like radar, jet aircraft and, guided weapons.

    Yes, the list is much longer but, a good deal of Germany's problems were self-inflicted due to the nature of the Nazi system that promoted incompetence, personal politics and, a cult of personality among its leadership.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I should of said the axis as it wasnt just Germany fighting that,yeah the axis was made mostly of Germans but did Italy have any real power at building tanks etc.?

    Yeah I meant The axis didnt build enough planes to replace its loses in the battle of britain when it could of won.

    How about the person who makes the biggest list of Axis or German blunders wins the title of the knowledge king.

    Its more like one word Hitler
     
  3. Richard

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    Hitler made two big errors declaring war on the Soviet Union and America what the hell was he thinking when he did that. [​IMG]
     
  4. Ironcross

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    Germany did not have much choice
    After the battle of Britain, both the U.S. and the S.U. were rapidly training troops and getting ready for a war with Germany. The longer Hitler waits, the more powerful his enemies become. Hitler realized the reason the Britain won't give up is because she set her hope on the U.S. and S.U.
    Hitler thought he could defeat the S.U. in a short period time, and the Japanese could hold the U.S. until Germany are ready to face them. After defeating Russia, the Reich would have enough oil and raw materials to wage a long war, and leave the U.S. for the next Generation .
     
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  6. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Aquila non capit muscas

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    Confucius said: "The tao of the good strategist is that he will not count his chicks before they are hatched. This is the tao of the good strategist" :D
     
  7. Richard

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    Really?

    I don't see any proof that Stalin was about to wage war on Germany? As for the U.S.A they were forced into the war by Japan I always wondered what would had happen if Japan did not attack America. And what course of action America would have taken.
     
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    The US would of been sucked in via the UK anyway
     
  9. Za Rodinu

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    If Hitler after the Battle of Britain fiasco had exercised restraint in the submarine warfare, that is, not venturing in the Western Atlantic therefore not threatening the US, started talks with Britain and refrained from further aggression (no Barbarossa), would it be possible that confrontation with the USA be avoided?
     
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    You make an interesting point Za. I think it's plausible that Germany could have avoided war with the US, but I don't know how the Brits would feel about peace talks with Germany after London was a heap of rubble.
     
  11. Za Rodinu

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    Yes, that's another what-if. Suppose Winston has an early retirement and the old Chamberlain crew is the cabinet? Would they make a deal with a "last appeal to reason" Hitler?
     
  12. Miller

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    Another possibility. Seems unlikey though that anybody - even Chamberlain's mates - would think that appeasement was still the answer.
     
  13. Richard

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    Didn’t Hitler try to buy off England with the offer of three divisions of Fallschirmjäger and coming to England’s aid as well before the war?
     
  14. Ironcross

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    Really?

    I don't see any proof that Stalin was about to wage war on Germany? As for the U.S.A they were forced into the war by Japan I always wondered what would had happen if Japan did not attack America. And what course of action America would have taken.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Tell me why are there so many aircraft and army groups on the Russian-German border. Stalin was not fooled by the Non-aggression pact. He used that time to train more manpower and build more factories. Ostensibly, the Germans feared that the Red Army was preparing to attack them, and their own assault was thus presented as a preemptive war. Readers of Hitler's Mein Kampf ("My Struggle") should, however, have expected an invasion of the Soviet Union. In the 1940s, the Soviet Union was by no means a weak country. Rapid Soviet industrialization in the 1930s had resulted in industrial output second only to that of the United States, and equal to that of Nazi Germany. Production of military equipment grew steadily, and in the pre-war years the economy became progressively more oriented toward military production. In the early 1930s, a very modern operational doctrine for the Red Army was developed and promulgated in the 1936 field regulations.
    Why did F.D.R. raise the Military Expenditure since the beginning of the war, and do deals with Britain instead of staying NEUTRAL, knowing that was the reason why U.S. entered the First World War.
     
  15. Ironcross

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    Confucius said: "The tao of the good strategist is that he will not count his chicks before they are hatched. This is the tao of the good strategist" :D </font>[/QUOTE]????????
    Do you mind explain to me what were you talking about?
     
  16. Richard

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    I hardly think the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany, after the result of the war with Finland 1939-1940 and there Polish operations as well. And I have read Mein Kampf a dreadful boring book full of waffle from a mad man.
     
  17. Za Rodinu

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    Confucius said: "The tao of the good strategist is that he will not count his chicks before they are hatched. This is the tao of the good strategist" :D </font>[/QUOTE]????????
    Do you mind explain to me what were you talking about?
    </font>[/QUOTE]The keywords in your post to which I am referring are "Hitler thought". Hiler was making too many assumptions which came out wrong, that he could defeat the SU in a short time, and that Japan might, as you say, hold off the USA. A good strategist will take calculated risks while keeping back up plans in case things go wrong.
     
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    Thanks Za
     
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