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USMC Pacific Camo Helmet Cover, Real or Fake?

Discussion in 'Uniforms, Personal Gear (Kit) and Accessories' started by ARCHANGELDM, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. ARCHANGELDM

    ARCHANGELDM Dishonorably Discharged

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    Hi
    i recently purchased this camo cover from a dealer and would like an expert to tell me if its real or fake please.
    Regards
    Dean
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  2. 1986CamaroZ28

    1986CamaroZ28 Member

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    I thought only the ones from the Korean War had the emblem on it, but I could be completely wrong. I got a Korean War helmet with the same cover like that.
     
  3. sniper1946

    sniper1946 Expert

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    here is one taken from an original, it compares well, and foliage slits were late war, into korean war...
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  4. ARCHANGELDM

    ARCHANGELDM Dishonorably Discharged

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    Hi Sniper
    thanks so much for your help i have looked at yours and looked at mine and they are the same, so im guessing its original. Would u say so ?. Also how rare are these korian covers i paid £85. Did i get ripped off ?
    Thanks
    Dean

    p.s also please take a look at the green first issue would u say thats original ?
     
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    price is fair dean, and the other looks good too...hope this has been of help..ray.
     
  6. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    My knee jerk reaction is that it is a Reproduction or at best an "Artefake".

    The EGA is stamped on the cover instead of stenciled. Several of these stamps have recently made an appearence on e-bay. This style made an appearance on the 1953 series of cammo covers.

    The cover itself also appears too "new" as though it has not been lying flat for 50 odd years.

    a search found several reproduction cammo helemet covers in the $25.00 (US).
    US Marine Corps uniforms and equipment.

    I also found this site:
    WWII USMC CAMO M-1 HELMET COVER FIRST MODEL

    USMC Helmet & 1st Pattern Duck Hunter pattern cover - U.S. Militaria Forum

    Here is a link to an e-bay item, look through the pictures and compare it to yours. Notice that the "Stock Number" printed on the cover is 1953.
    ALL ORIGINAL USMC HBT 2ND MODEL CAMO HELMET COVER - eBay (item 180527641696 end time Jul-10-10 18:13:18 PDT)

    I hope that answers more questions than it creates.

    Brad
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I'll second Formerjugheads opinion. It has the correct period type emblem, note the anchor isn't fouled like the Korean War era one he linked to on E-Bay. However, formerjughead was right on, when he noticed that the emblem was stamped not stenciled. A bad sign. As formerjughead observed, I also think it looks too new, not like an item that's been in storage for 65 years, but that being said, it could be genuine but I have my doubts.
     
  9. ARCHANGELDM

    ARCHANGELDM Dishonorably Discharged

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    Thanks so much for your info guys :) , im very happy to hear your comments and knowledge.
    When i bought this the gentlemen had 3 they where bought in the us in the 80s laid flat in a pack. Is it possible that they are stencils but the corner of the stencil was blackened with ink, hence the straight edge near the anchor ?.
    Also what do u think of the first pattern green cover
    Thanks once again
    Dean
     
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    Thankyou so much sniper so infact it could actually be an original, its just so hard to find out exactly what is real and what is fake. Sniper i just posted a thread on a riggers helmet could u take a look. Also i would like to add you as a friend if pos :)
     
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    As a newbie I would like to know if anyone has ever seen any written documentation that the so called " chain stitchig " on the beach side of a WW II USMC camo cover, first pattern, was in fact universally done or was single stitching used as well ? I have seen several postings that it is one of the " clues " to identify first pattern but none of the posts ever documents a source ?
     
  13. RRA227

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    I do not think it is original. I have a bunch of W.W.2 U.S.M.C. 1st. pattern helmet covers and they are all Herringbone Twill material. In the pics the material looks like twill. No pattern. If you would like I'll post pics of mine. Rich A. in Pa.
     
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    Would be great to see some photos of your first patterns RRA. This would help my learning curve !
     
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    The cover is a HBT pattern. My error. Here are pics I had on my hard drive of my covers and covered helmets. I have the W.W.2 and 1950's types. I'll do better pics if you want. Rich A. in Pa.
     
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    Rich . thanks for the pics. Can you give us a closeup of the stitching across the top on the beach/brown side...USMC04 ?
     
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    as to the question about chain stitching versus single stitching, every thing that i have found as an real item from wwII on the us material is chain stitched as it is a stronger,more durable stitch.
     
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    Hope this is ok. Rich A. in Pa.
     
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    Thank you for the photo
     

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