USN experts needed. Is this shirt WW2 or not?

Hello friends.

Is this USS shirt from the USS Maury DD401 (WW2 area)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maury_(DD-401)

or from the USS Maury AGS16 (1945-1969) ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maury_(AGS-16)

The name of the Sailor is Burchell. Also any info on him , his rank etc... would be welcome. As usually thanks fro your help !

 

Thanks opama, I'll focuss on the service number then. I was hoping the dragon would give me a lead too, but that could be anyhting considering both ships servec in the Pacific. I'll try the the different light frequences too, there are figures and of cours ethe same name again. A seaman rank (so lowest rank ?) . Maybe he was a rebel type of guy indeed.

 

That's most interesting . I never heard about the dragon sobriety test. The reason why I mentioned the Pacific is because DD401 was based at Pearl Harbor.
So Seaman is not so bad after four years. Thanks again. Do you know any thing about the anchor buttons ? they may give a hint too.

 

E 3, 4 years not bad, especially before the war...?? I thought I read it was tough for even longtimers to get rank in the USMC before the war ...of course the USMC was much smaller .........I did get busted from Cpl to Lcpl, but back up to SGT, 4 years after I got busted....so I had 1 stripe as a Lcpl... but I got meritoriously promoted out of Bootcamp and SOI....very fast rank.....but a Pfc E 2, with 1 stripe usually means badboy........good thinking though by Opana......that could be odd and denote 'trouble'
but, from Opana's rankings, 1 stripe for seaman E 3 looks about right...no?? we had many E 3s [ Lcpl ] with 3 years-...and if they weren't hardchargers, would still be E 3 with 4 years...... a lot of E 4 Cpls with 3 years were usually hardchargers....and the rest of the E 4 Cpls usually reupped to get E 4
so, first year, bootcamp/sailor training, higher training, schooling, then assignment....second and third year E 2....to E 3 into fourth year......near next promotion, if qualified... .they just don't promote that fast....unless you're a harcharger...?...badboy could mean he just wasn't ''enthusiastic' enough ....we had Marines like that...not many.....most did a good job, even if they didn't like the Corps
we did have about 4 Marines who left as Pfcs E 2 that got busted for drugs.....they might've been 3 year men

 

More about the stencil (contrats, negatives etc.. . I have an idea but I will wait for your comments first as not to influence your judgments.

 

One last one.

 

The contract number on the label could be N1401622351638126.

 

Good question. I'd figure considering that once the enemy were able to read it, it meant they were on board already, or had found it on a floating sailor . The names of ships were not really a secret (visible code) .







http://navyadvancement.tpub.com/14325/img/14325_266_1.jpg

 

I think you will find this to be post war. Info tag is different during war,Black and white and smaller with no contract numbers,no care instruction,just Name and Rate. Rockers were not used during the war,it is later.

 

Thanks for this. So you'd aim for the AGS16. That would make sense too. What do you call "Rockers" ?

 

Ship name on sleeve.Turn it upside down and it is a rocker.,like a rocking chair. These did not come out until 1960.
Hope you obtained it cheap.Here it is a $10. item on a good day.

 

Interesting shirt you've got there Skipper.

 

yes and it could mean a 5, 6 or 7 year Seaman which would indicate trouble

 

That narrows the query to something between 1960 and 1969. Damn I'd hoped it would be a bit older. Paid 40 € for it, not bad considering it's a small ship. Are you sure they cost 10 bucks a piece only? This is personalised one with the name of a small vessel, not just the jumper.

 

The dragon isn't just bling. It's something you'd sew on after going through the "Golden Dragon" initiation - crossing the International date line which makes you a Golden Dragon instead of a Scurvy Pollywog. You go through a hazing thing, get a certificate and then it's usually "rope-yarn" (no work) the rest of the day, steaks for dinner if they have them. Then you can sew on the dragon without having your shipmates give you a bunch of crap.
There's also a Shellback initiation for crossing the equator. A Blue Nose for crossing the arctic circle and a bunch of other semi-official certificates for various points and places around the globe. All of that comes down from the Royal Navy, adopted in whole by the early USN and still a thing today.

It's all about morale. An excuse to break up the monotony on a long voyage.

 

Skipper,
Navy jumpers are a strange item here.You can hardly give them away unless they are to highly awarded sailor on a famous ship.Sad but that's how it is.
Typically a WW2 jumper will have a discharge,"ruptured duck" patch on the right breast.The dragon embroidery sewn in are called liberty cuffs.Some jumpers and pants,pre war were highly embroidered on the inside with names,locations and ship names.These examples bring good money.
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