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Discussion in 'Non-World War 2 History' started by majorwoody10, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. smeghead phpbb3

    smeghead phpbb3 New Member

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    "Information" from right wing Christian sites is not information, and is about as reliable and factual as Osama Bin Laden himself... They are all blind intepretations focused more upon discrediting Islam than presenting a reasonable intepretation of the religion... If I provided you with a link by Extremist Buddhists (Buddho-Fascists, I like to call them...) saying that all Christians eat babies for breakfast, would you believe it?

    The torture link, however, did seem to be from verses in the Koran... I am willing to accept that Muhammed encouraged torture... However, as you said not one hour ago in the 48 killers post, torture can be justified, and as TISO said, torute is not the exclusive practise of Muslims :roll: ...
     
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    I never said it wasnt justified I was pointing out that Muhammad seems to of done it.


    answering infidels is a Muslim site.
     
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    smeg if you can show us any non muslim religious sites ANYWHERE that encourage their followers to wage war on unbelivers please do so ........foaming at the mouth muslim clerics and pro jihad bigot sites greatly abound on the net , as i suspect you very well know .

    if ali sina of faith freedom org ., is a right wing ,rabid hater of muslim peoples as you implie ,please show us some evidence that bears this out . i have found all of his posts to be rational ,logical , tolerant and well footnoted , perhaps if have missed something ..
     
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    Yes, perhaps you missed the premable to the title page which says "
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    The days of Islam are numbered
    "... Theres really no need for me to provide you with those said non-muslim religious sites, because you keep citing them in your links!

    You've just given me a non-Islamic a site which outright encourages Muslims to leave their religion, naming it a "blight upon humanity" :grin: I would be impressed if you could find such a site made by Muslims encouraging Christians to leave

    The fact that there are these foaming at the mouth muslim clerics who spread hate does not bother me... They are nutjobs unrepresentative of their religion... I do not consider sites like faithfreedom.org to be Christian because they spread messages which are fundamentally against the teachings of Christ... Being an (albeit rather poor) Christian I am ashamed that people would mask such hateful messages with the pretence that it is somehow 'Christian', because it does not suit my personal (and limited) intepretation of Christianity... It is the same way many Muslims do not consider 'terrorists' to be Muslims because they act in a manner unbefitting of what THEY percieve to be Islam...

    Religion is all obut intepretation; Islam is obviously capable of being intepreted in a peaceful manner... So regarding those who choose to act vioently in the name of Islam, the problem is with the individual and his/her intepretation, not with the religion itself
     
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    Islam is in fact a religion that promotes peace and understanding among people of all faiths, and it strongly prohibits all forms of violence and aggression against all people regardless of their faith or race.

    http://www.al-islami.com/islam/religion_of_peace.php
     
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    ffi is made up of some former muslims who are trying to give a heads up to hapless unbelivers like you and me ..if they seem frantic ,it because they belive so many of us in the west are asleep or in denial ... they dont think we are in danger from all muslims but only the ones who actually read the koran ..

    .i couldnt find a preamble or the quotes anywhere else on the main page ,would you post them,or tell me under what heading i might look please ..freedom faith is not an advocate of any faith per say ,but a promoter of reason and tolerance which is allarmed by our casual disregard of the dangers of a religion which they seem to think openly promotes violence and domination of all other belief systems

    ..smeg , your bright ,well read and passionet aboutt islam being a harmless religion of peace , why not accept ali`s challenge on right upper corner of page one ,perhaps you can convince these silly islamaphobes to stop their paranioa and get them join the enlightened .if you go ,i will switch sides and fly as your wingman as best i can ,though i confess ,im no expert on the koran , i vow to support your argument any way i can ...perhaps tiso or roel will help us as they seem rather sympathetic to your position and are both high caliber debaters .ali sina is wrong about islam and the koran , and we have nothing to fear but fear itself !.... lets go take him to task
     
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    Sure Woody...

    just go to Faithfreedom.org, and look at the picture I made with my awesome photoshop skillz...

    i personally do not find the words used to have any semblemce whatsoever to 'tolerance'... And the mere fact that there exist ex-Muslims who denounce their religion and criticise it, is based upon their experience of religion... Its one man's word against another... There exist Christians who have converted to Islam for similar reasons (see http://www.missionislam.com/comprel/former.htm), but that does not make either religion 'better' or 'more tolerant'... A religion is a system of beliefs which we adopt and intepret...

    I do not doubt that there are hundreds of nutter Muslim extremists who want to kill you/me/and-all-Christians with semtex... But to blame the religion for crimes which are comitted in its name is a misdirection of responsibility... The problem is with the individual and his/her intepretation and experience of that religion... Often it is purely undertaken for self-serving ends, if I want to kill Mr.X and I claim to do it because a book told me to, it is not the book's fault, it is my own psychopathic will... Yet the uninformed media often seems to treat crimes comitted by terrorists as the fault of the religion, not the individuals...
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    This whole topic just seems to be going round in circles. I'm just going to re-post (part of) one of my posts from a couple of pages back, as it still seems very relevant.

    On the subject of what happens to those who renounce their faith, I would just like to share a conversation I overheard between an African student and 2 British Muslim students. The African guy had come from a Muslim country, but decided upon moving to England that he would convert to Christianity as England is a Christian country (He obviously held deep-seated beliefs :wink: ). The guys with him pointed out that you're not supposed to just leave Islam like that, and that technically he was now under a death sentance. Maybe there is a Mosque in Luton that teaches tenents of a Saudi-based sect of Islam, and these two just happened to be from it. Or maybe the practice is more widespread than that one sect. Talking to other people who have (rather more seriously) converted from Islam to Christianity, they have all received a good deal of hostility from their Muslim friends & family*. Andrew White (the vicar of Bagdhad) will be speaking at my church this Sunday, I must ask him how such things stand in Iraq.


    * Mind you, I'm sure you could find some 'Christians' who would react in the same way.
     
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    The Muslims used to bomb the Christian Churches in Iraq, The Christians are looked at as "weak" since they dont fight back. seems the Christians are more loyal to there religion then the Muslim Arabs since they practice what they preach.

    also what is interesting is that the Christians have been in Iraq hundreds of years before the Arabs even came.
     
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    That would be after 2003.And they are still doing it. Same as with bombing of Shia sacred sites and sunni sacred sites.....
    Not to mention Bosnia where ─Éamija ( a mosque pronounced in eng. as Jamiya) was usualy first to be damolished...And that was not done by Muslims but by Christians. Realy nice exapmle odf religious tolerance.
     
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    when was the last time you heard of a Christian blowing himself up in a crowd ed market?
     
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    wow ..that is strange ,the home page i get has the same blue banner to the left of center ,blue with white doves ect . but no preamble and is set up in an entirely different format , could it be that they varie by country or are they like a franchise ? in favorites i bookmarked something by yassim abdul ,then i click on home ..faith freedom international ....it is entirely different from smegs shown page ...ricky ,it may well be true that other apostates from judaism or christian ,hindu whatever faiths might face some hostility , only the muslim faith applies the death penalty , which ,btw is actually enforced sometimes even outside of muslim countries ...
     
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    Christians are not prepered to stay with the bomb till the end. But otherwise plenty of bombings by christians.
     
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    well in ulster 20-30 years ago there were ira catholics bombing ulstermen and brits who were protestant but i think it was more about irish independence than about a religious quarrel , are there other christians somewhere who are bombing other sects nowadays in some kind of religious fervor ?
     
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    I never had liked teddy bears....and I think that women agrees with me as well.
     
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    Don't blame the bear, he didn't have her arrested. :wink:
     
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    Not necessarily unpeaceful - it just has a very antiquated justice system.

    For antiquated, read highly skewed and wide open to interpretation.

    On the teddy bear thing - I saw an iterview with a guy from the Muslim Council of Britain, who pointed out that the laws about images of Mohammed are that you may not attempt to portray his likeness in any way, as a precaution against the possibilty that -people will start to worship the prophet instead of the god. Which is eminently sensible. And not at all what that teacher did. (he made that point too)
     
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    Too bad no one in the Sudanese judicial system seems to be listening to him.
     

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