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Washington class cruisers

Discussion in 'The War at Sea' started by Che_Guevara, Dec 18, 2006.

  1. Che_Guevara

    Che_Guevara New Member

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    Which type is the best out of the Washington-cruisers category, considering only the european ships ?

    Italy:

    Trento class cruiser

    Displacement:
    Trento and Trieste 13,110 t Normal, 13,545 t full load
    Bolzano 13,243 t Normal, 13,885 t full load
    Length: 196.9 m
    Beam: 20.6 m
    Draught: 6.7 m
    Propulsion: 12 boilers
    4 Parsons turbines
    150,000 hp total
    Speed: 35 knots (63 km/h)
    Range: Trento and Trieste: 4,160 nautical miles at 16 knots (30 km/h)
    Bolzano: 4,460 nautical miles at 16 knots (30 km/h)
    Complement: 723 (Bolzano 725)
    Armament: 8 × 203 mm / 50 caliber
    16 100 mm / 47 caliber
    8 40 mm / 39 caliber AA
    8 12.7 mm AAMG (Bolzano: 8 13.2 mm)
    8 533 mm torpedo tubes

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    Zara class cruiser

    Displacement: Zara 11870 t standard, 14530 t full load
    Fiume 11508 t standard, 14168 t full load
    Gorizia 11900 t standard, 14560 t full load
    Pola 11730 t standard, 14360 t full load
    Length: 182.8 m
    Beam: 20.6 m
    Draught: 7.2 m
    Propulsion: 8 three-drum Thornycroft boilers
    2 Parsons turbines
    95,000 hp (71 MW) total
    Speed: 33 knots (61 km/h) (Gorizia and Zara)
    32 knots (59 km/h) (Fiume and Pola). Full load sea speed: 31 knots
    Range: 4,500 nautical miles (8,300 km) at 16 knots (30 km/h)
    2950 nautical miles (5,500 km) at 25 knots (46 km/h)
    1700 nautical miles (3,100 km) at 31 knots (57 km/h)
    Complement: 830
    Armament: 8 × 203 mm / 53 caliber
    12 100 mm / 47 caliber
    8 37 mm / 54 caliber AA, 8 12.7 mm AAMG
    Protection: belt 3.9 to 5.9 in (100 to 150 mm)
    deck 2.75 in (70 mm)
    turrets 4.7 to 5.5 in (120 to 140 mm)
    barbettes 5.5 to 5.9 in (140 to 150 mm)

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    Germany: Admiral Hipper class

    (Blücher)

    Displacement: 14,247 tons (standard)
    18,208 tons (full load)
    Length: 675 ft 4 in (206 m)
    Beam: 69 ft 9 in (21.3 m)
    Draught 19 ft (7.7 m)
    Armament: 8 × 8 in (203 mm) (4x2)
    12 × 4.1 in (105 mm) (6x2)
    12 × 37 mm (6x2)
    8 × 20 mm (8x1)
    12 × 21 in torpedo tubes (4x3)
    160 mines
    Propulsion: 3-shaft SR Deschimag turbines, 12 Wagner boilers
    132,000 hp (98 MW),
    Speed: 32.5 knots (60 km/h)
    Range: 6,500 nm at 17 knots
    Crew: Approximately 1,600

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    UK:

    County class cruiser

    Kent Class
    Displacement: 9,750 tons standard; 13,450 tons full load
    Dimensions: 590 pp, 630 oa x 68.25 x 16.25 feet
    Propulsion: 4 shaft Parsons geared turbines (Brown Curtisin Berwick), 8 Admiralty 3-drum boilers, 80,000shp. = 31.5 knots
    Range: 3,100 miles at 31.5 knots, 13,300 miles at 12 knots; 3,400 tons fuel oil
    Complement: 700
    Armament: 4 dual 8-inch / 50 Mk 8; 4 single 4-inch / 45QF Mk 5 HA (later replaced by 4 dual 4-inch / 45 QF Mk 16 HA); 2 quad 2 pdr; 2 quad 0.5-inch MG (added 1936-1939); 2 quad 21-inch TT (later removed from all but Kent); 1 seaplane from 1930 (later 3)
    Armour: 1 to 4 inch magazine box protection; 1.375 inch deck ; 1 inch side-plating, turrets and bulkheads (4.5 inch narrow belt and 4 inch internal boiler room sides added 1936-1940)

    London Class
    Modified Kents with internal bulges and slight layout changes. Devonshire and Sussex had their X-turret removed towards the end of WWII to allow increases in their AA battery.
    Displacement: 9,750 tons standard; 13,220 tons full load
    Dimensions: 595 pp, 633 oa x 66 x 17 feet
    Propulsion: 4 shaft Parsons geared turbines, 8 Admiralty3-drum boilers, 80,000 shp. = 32.25 knots
    Range: 2,930 miles at 31 knots, 12,500 miles at 12 knots; 3,210 tons fuel oil
    Complement: 700
    Armament: 4 dual 8-inch / 50 Mk 8; 4 single 4-inch / 45QF Mk 5 HA (4 further 4-inch added, 4 dual Mk 16 in London); 2 quad and 4 single 2 pdr; 2 quad 0.5-inch AA (added 1936-1939); 2 quad 21-inch TT.; 1 seaplane (later 3)
    Armour: 1 to 4 inch magazine box protection; 1.375 inch deck; 1 inch side-plating, turrets and bulkheads (4.5 inch narrow belt and 3.5 inch internal boiler room sides added 1938-1941)

    Dorsetshire Class
    Londons with new lighter Mk II turrets.
    Displacement: 9,900 tons standard ; 13,290 tons full load
    Dimensions: 595 pp, 633 oa x 66 x 17 feet
    Propulsion: 4 shaft Parsons geared turbines, 8 Admiralty 3-drum boilers, 80,000 shp. = 32.3 knots
    Range: 2,930 miles at 31 knots, 12,500 miles at 12 knots ; 3210 tons fuel oil
    Complement: 700
    Armament: 4 dual 8-inch / 50 Mk 8; 4 single 4-inch / 45 QF Mk 5 HA (later replaced by 4 dual 4-inch / 45 QF Mk 16 HA); 4 single 2 pdr (replaced by 2 octuple 2 pdr); 2 quad 0.5-inch AA (added 1936-1939); 2 quad 21-inch TT.; 1 seaplane
    Armour: 1 to 4 inch magazine box protection ; 1.375 inch deck; 1 inch side-plating, turrets and bulkheads


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    France:

    Suffren class cruiser

    Type: heavy cruiser
    Displacement: 10,000 tons (standard)
    12,780 tons (full load)
    Length: 636.5 feet (194 metres)(overall)
    Beam: 63 feet (9.10 metres)
    Draught: 20.75 feet (6.35 metres)
    Propulsion: 3-shaft Rateau-Bretagne SR geared turbines, 9 Guyot boilers, 90,000 shp
    Speed: 31 knots
    Range: 4500 @ 15 knots
    Complement: 752 (Suffren: 773)
    Armament: 8 203 mm (8 inch) 50-calibre guns (4 × 2)
    8 90 mm (3.5 inch) 55-calibre anti-aircraft guns (8 × 1; Dupleix 4 x 2)
    8 37 mm anti-aircraft guns (4 × 2)
    12 13.2 mm AA (4 × 3)
    6 550 mm (21.7 inch) torpedo tubes (2 × 3);
    Armour: belt 60 millimetres;
    deck 25 millimetres;
    turrets and tower, 30 millimetres.
    Aircraft: 3 (Suffren: 2), 2 catapults

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    Regards,
    Che.

    Soruces;

    http://home.swipnet.se/~w-11578/hms_norfolk.htm

    and wikipedia
     
  2. Tiornu

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    The Zaras were fine ships, though their inclusion among the treaty designs is dubious--they were well over 10,000 tons. They didn't have great range, but their armor was arguably the best among all heavy cruisers.
    Hipper was even heavier than Zara. The armor was nowhere near as good, and the machinery was not very reliable, at least in Eugen.
    The Counties were all very practical. The first units entered service without belt armor, but all were fitted by the time of WWII except the Australian ships. The main battery had splinter protection only, and the percentage of protected volume was not very good.
    With Duquesne, the French probably had the worst treaty design. With Algerie, they may have had the best. I wish the designers hadn't tried to be so creative with the armor layout. Simpler would have ben better.
     

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