Discussion in 'The Stump' started by texson66, Sep 3, 2009.
Hi Jeff, you did, and then it had Democrats in it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's not like those 40-50 million people have no access to medical care Stefan. Here in Louisiana, we have a state funded charity hospital system for those without health insurance, for example those who work for small companies and businesses who do not offer health insurance. Even those who elect to sit at home an not work can seek treatment there. Every state operates their hospital system differently. Every emergency room in every hospital in the country accepts and treats all who are brought in there. No case is refused. Once the patient is past the emergency stage and deemed stable, and if they have no insurance, then they are transferred to the charity hospital. Our charity hospitals are teaching hospitals, with LSU and Tulane providing the services.
So instead of a good health plan, people should relly on charity... I wonder why no one ever thought of that...
Yes, that is such a good plan that the "charity hospitals" end up getting state funds, which cut down funds for "for profit" hospitals, who pass their new expenses onto insured patients, driving the cost of health care up.
Oh, and in the private sector, about 45 cents of every health care dollar is spent on administration rather than health care; i.e. billing, collections, postal mailing costs, and their supervisors on both the hospital, and insurance sides.
It is a wonderful "system".
And reliance on a government bureaucracy is a cure-all for everything? Does FEMA strike joy into the hearts of everyone? "Oh boy, the hurricane flattened our town, now FEMA is coming to save us all." That's something you will never hear.
The state supports the charity hospital system here. No donations are solicited or accepted from the public or business. Our socialist governor Huey Long created that system back in the 30s so he could always count on the support of the "poor folks" and the "little man" how he referred to them. Much like the democrats today bought the vote of the "underpriviliged" with welfare, government subsidized housing, food stamps, etc.
The system is not bad, like mentioned earlier, LSU and Tulane's medical schools administer there. That system will never go away here, it works fine. So why do we need another government system? I have never been opposed to creating any system that provides health care to those who do not have the means to provide it for themselves, for whatever reason. I just don't think that El Presidente is going to be able to come up with one that will cure all in a few weeks like he tried to before congress going on summer break. If they are going to do it, fine, do it right. And make sure congress and their families will have to give up their priviledged coverage and join the same system as the rest of us. When that happens, then I'll know it was done right.
The point I was making was to attempt to clear up Stefan's misunderstanding that 40-50 million people in the US are totally without medical care, like they were being turned away from hospitals and the like, which is not true.
And to answer your question of why you never thought of that is because of your belief is based in government mandated socialism. Won't work here.
And you think that more government bureaucracies will do it all?
Nope, I think that this system as it exists sucks and has nothing good to say for it. The Medicare system seems to work quite well for myself, and it has been around since the sixties. Admittedly the way the Medicare is paid out is (sadly) tied to "pay for service" which increases the number of tests done per patient, since that gives the physicians more income per patient.
I would rather have a non-interested bureaucrat overseeing my health care payments than a self-interested insurance man. One doen't make a dime by approving my care, and the other makes money by denying it.
Im not trying to but in, but as an outsider it looks like the problem is ideology of what should be done over actualities of what can be done. So drop the ideology good though it is.. But worthless unless the whole nation buys into it.. And do what can be done. But again as an outsider.. I see many at the top scaremongering and whos interest is this meant to serve? As for private versus state the toxic debt problems originated where? And the driving licence example someone used.. Do you get your licences? Do you trust enron over vehicle licence dpt?
I agree, Clint. What I find both amusing and kind of sad are the seniors on Medicare who have been so thoroughly and erroneously frightened, now crying "Keep the government out of my health care". Don't they realize where their health care is coming from?
I just had to post that, but now will bow out of this thread since I will never be able to convince others on the issue, and I can't be convinced that a public option is not absolutely necessary.
I'll see you Rogues on the other threads.
Good choice Lou, I'll join you in "un-joining" this pointless thread.
Airborne..mixing it for 70 years and still going strong. You cant beat em..red on..green on.. Go go go
Miguel, the ILLEGAL ALIENS already do look on our healthcare system as a Charity. Why else do you think they always go to the Emergency Room for a mere S~O~R~E~T~H~R~O~A~T?? They do that KNOWING full well that they don't have to pay a cent towards the cost and the AMERICAN taxpayer picks up their several uhundred or even several thousand dollar E.R. bills.
I for one, am sick and tired of being forced to pay for these illegals to get health care they are NOT entitled to-mostly because of the fact they are NOT here legally. I KNOW you will not reply to me because you know I am correct but I will again ask you the question: What part of Illegal, do you not seem to understand????? Like I say, I am NOT expecting a reply from you on this--as usual.
Well, you are probably right there urqh. Not really trying to beat anyone. Always up for a good fight, as long as it's right. You know how that goes, don't you?
What I really fear is that this issue will polarize and tear at out country the most since that goddam Vietnam War did.
Sorry about that mods. There was no other way to put it. I feel that strongly about the issue, and more so of my country.
Thanks for the moral support as well urqh. It goes a long way. I don't want to talk about this business anymore either. I feel like going to the local watering hole and sharing a beer with my friends brndirt and lrusso, and talking with them about better things. Anyone is free to join me.
Actually, that figure comes from a Medicaid yearly report. And even if in your county you have a charity system that works, it's still a minority...
Evans do you know that there are economists who actually say that Illegal Aliens are a plus to the economy? The kind of work they do in the conditions they do it... It all adds up.
You missed my point, Tex said that 40-50 million people would need doctors under a national health system, this suggests that either they don't have doctors now which seems like a fairly major problem with the system or Tex was wrong (if they currently do have doctors anyhow, why do they need to be found new ones?)
Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Barack Obama loses his.
Ahhh, my prediction has come true, I didn't get a reply :lol: :lol: :lol:
Blimey carl he responded mate
The worse kind of blind is the one who can see...^^
Hi Urgh, not to me he didn't ;-)) Its like this: the Ringo Kid is called out of the Saloon by Miguel, for a Gunfight. The Ringo Kid (me) accepts the invitation to the fight.
The Ringo Kid pushes his chair back from the table where he was peacefully playing Poker and having a drink of Sarspirilla, takes the Cigar out of his mouth and places it still burning, on a large stack of chips he has won, excuses himself from the game by saying: "Gentemen, ill be back in about 30 seconds."
The Ringo Kid then makes his way through the Saloon doors pushing his way through them as the saloon customers race to the saloons porch and windows and such to watch the coming entertainment. As the Ringo Kid saunters off the dusty saloons porch-down the three steps into the dirt street, all eyes are on both he and Miguel and as they watch the Ringo Kid slowly get to the center of that street, they see Miguel looking from side to side nervously, and the Ringo Kid stops, turns to face full body to Miguel and gets his right hand at the ready.
The Ringo Kid tells someone from the croud to tell them when to draw (and I don't mean pictures either ;-)) Someone in the croud said they would do the honor, and after a countdown from 10-to-0, that man yells: "DRAW!!!"
As Miguel then slides his LEFT hand ( ) down towards his weapon of choice-which is a single barrell Derringer) the Ringo Kids RIGHT hand is faster and he grips his Colt .45, which is mounted on a swivel mount) and aims and fires it once-with the bullet smacking Miguels Derringer out of his hand and rendering his Derringer -- useless. Miguels eyes open as wide as Saucers in disbelief, then he turns and races to his mount getting on the Mule, and racing away leaving the Ringo Kid and the bystanders-in a cloud of dust.
The Ringo Kid then turns and heads back into the Saloon, so he could resume his game of Poker and his drink. The ashes on the edge of his Cigar, grew only by about two milimeters. Ringo then grabs his cigar-places it in his mouth, takes a puff and then flicks the "cherry" onto the floor-then he clears his throat and spits a Lung biscuit into the Brass Spitoon-hitting it solidly and making it teeter-totter from one side to the other threatening to roll over onto its side. He then grabs hold of his cards and says: "I stay" while two of the other four players quit the hand by tossing down their cards.