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What if Spain had joined the Axis?

Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Western Front & Atlan' started by PzJgr, Jan 3, 2001.

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  1. freebird

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    Indeed, that's the downside. :(


    I'm in agreement with Belesar, if one does have to be closed it should be the other one. Folks could always copy and paste something over here if it's really relevant. (and they have the time & energy lol)
     
  2. von_noobie

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    Agreed with Belesar and freebird, Close the other one mate.
     
  3. LJAd

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    What the Bafa also is ignoring,is the economical effects on Spain of joining the Axis:

    Spanish Foreign trade (in millions of pesera,neutrals not included):

    Imports:

    1939:Allies :473,Axis :52
    1940: 769/324
    1941:691/749
    1942:692 /977
    1943:1137/1551
    1944:1024/1105
    1945:1261/55

    Exports:
    1939:308/17
    1940:430/307
    1941:385/955
    1942:725/1151
    1943:1163/1601
    1944:1139/1817
    1945:1320/112
     
  4. von_noobie

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    So in short not only is the Spanish military hopelessly inadequate at defending there possessions (ie: Morocco and the Canary Islands) as well as lacking heavily when it comes to industry that could support the armed forces (Relying on Germany as he suggested would not work in the long term [beyond 12 months] due to the need for Germany to replace there own losses with our worrying about Spain [or Turkey for that matter] and even then they where never able to fully make up there losses) there economy in simple terms would half and that is not even allowing for effects from Allied bombing damaging various industries.

    For the 100th time Spain joining in such a manner would do more harm then good.

    To be blunt the only way I see Spain of being of any use is if they had previously gained German military tech and outfitted a number of divisions, While also increase the size of the Spanish Navy by several 100%'s (Yes the 100%'s thing sound kind of stupid to me to but you get my meaning :)) as well as there merchant fleet. But to do this or even get a start on it this build up would have to have started no later then the start of there civil war. So Bafa, Unless you can find a way to knock at least 2 1/2 years of the Spanish civil war there is no way any of your suggestion's would work in Germany's favor.
     
  5. lwd

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    Could have? Perhaps but unlikely. Of course this is to some extent a straw man as the US wouldn't have been alone. The British would certainly be with us and that alone would be enough to push it from an unlikely victory to a very likely one.
    You are probably correct it wouldn't have made Hitler surrender. On the other hand one of them might have gotten him and if not someone rational in the German military or government would very likely have fixed it so his opinion was no longer relevant.
     
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    The problem is while these threads are similar there are some significant differences in them. They also have significant problems in common enough really to preclude either. Perhaps the best way would be to lock both and then open a new general Spain enters the war thread. While we've got some good data in these threads they don't have a very high signal to noise ratio. Once that has settled down if desired we could have specific threads on any alternatives that looked at all viable (I'm not convinced there are any but ...).
     

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