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  1. Ebar

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    Just while we've mentioned Gallipoli I think it's worth mentioning in contrast to the terrible planning a execution of the land the evacuation was flawlessly handled.

    Despite predictions that half the troops would be lost the entire allied force managed to disengage and board the ships for a loss of only two men.
     
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    Yeah, too bad they didn't put that much effort into planning and executing the invasion; then the evacuation might not have been necessary. :roll:
     
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    Worst admiral of WW 2 ???
    Definitly Italian Admiral Iachino . Every time he tryed something he got spanked by Brits. At Matapan he lost 3 crusers and few destroyers without achiving anything.
     
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    Not to mention his constant retreating from vastly inferior British forces. :roll:
     
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    I never got that one. He had air superiority ( from bases in Aegean, Sicily, Sardinia and Libiya), sea superiority ( newer and better ships) and still didn't achived anything.
     
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    I think japan could have won the war , if it wasn't for their infantry tactics , and if the americans hadn't used the code breaker to discover their plans , (another minor reason was the ill -trained pilots that were sent to duty towards the end of the war.
     
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    Japan didn't have the economic resources to beat the United States in the long run, though with their superior training and fanatical attitude they could have made it last a very long time.
     
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    Where there's no backbone, you will achieve nothing, despite how good your equipment is or how much of it you have.
     
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    Given their often badly flawed doctrines and hideously rigid command structure, that's arguable. Not to mention the fact that their Army and Navy high commands fought each other almost as hard as they fought the Allies.
     
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    Again to be fair , some commanders did not believe in carriers because , if they were at port, they would be to vulnerable , and carriers were not expendable
     
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    Yamamoto and nearly every military historian to write on the subject disagrees with you on that point. I have seen many a debate on the issue of; under what conditions could Japan have achieved even a favorable negotiated settlement? They all end the same way. Japan had virtually no chance of ending the war with a favorable outcome. It's only far-fetched hypotheticals that predict a different outcome that what actually occurred.
     
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    There are those who believe that the United States and the Allies should have negotiated an end to WW2, both in Europe and the Pacific, rather than insisting on unconditional surrender. My response to this has always been this: "You would negotiate with Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Hideki Tojo? And expect them to do so in good faith? Just how long have you been back from Oz?"
     
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    I think the worst was lutjen he has the best ships in the navey(Bismark Prinze Eugen) and he lost the Bismark FOOL! and well he kept the Eugean
     
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    Lutjens didn't "keep" PRINZ EUGEN; he detached her from BISMARCK to proceed with commerce raiding on her own, which is why she wasn't sunk by the British Home Fleet as well.
     
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    Lütjens, because he let escape the H.M.S. "Prince of Wales".

    Lütjens, because he sent a 30 min. radio message two times, so the british can "see how the land lies" and shortly after this a Catalina found the Bismarck and the RN got the right coordinates.
    However that wasn´t the end of the mighty Bismarck, but she get that sucking torpedo in her rudder :angry: :angry: :angry:



    Regards,
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    i think the badest admiral of the war is the hole italian admiral staff they always avoid confrontation with the rn and were even defeated many times in "their sea" the gibraltar squardron and the alexandria squardron
    could be taken out by them but the italions had a mystic fear of the rn

    And the Bismarck was a exellent Battleship she recived more Torpedo hits and shells from the Battlegroup to sunk her than the much bigger Yamato class vessels
     
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    Well, she did take more shelling than Yamatos to sunk because both Yamato and Musashi were sunk by aircrafts.
    And I dont think that Bismarck was hit with that many torpedos.
     
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    yeao, 2 or 3 at most!!!!
    on the other hand scharhorst was hit several times by torpedos
     
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    the RN fired more than 2,000 rounds , from 4.7 to 14 inches, and 55 torpedos, 11 htiting the scharnhorst
     
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    The Bismarck was not sunk by the RN. It was sunk by her own crew, however no doubt that the RN had sunk her after a time.

    Yes, but the Schanhorst had a better protection then the Bismarck. You´re right nevertheless.

    Bismarck.........Schanhorst
    Hauptpanzer
    320 mm.............350 mm

    Heavy Art.
    130-360 mm.......180 - 360 mm

    Med. Art.
    40-100 mm...........50 - 140 mm
     

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