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Would anyone be able to help with research on HE119?

Discussion in 'Modelling' started by maxmwill, Oct 21, 2011.

  1. maxmwill

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    Whilst I am in the process of collecting data on on e modelling project, I've begun research in another(who hasn't done the same thing?). Year and years ago, I built a peanut scale rendition of an HE119. The V1 version with the pointed wing tips, not the squared off.Well, I had to make some concessions in order to make it buildable, as well as flyable.

    While I'm researching for one model nowadays(a 1/48 scale model of a DO217), I'm beginning to research another, the 119. This one I'd like to build in rc scale, but instead of a solid, but hollowed out balsa block for the nose, I'd like to give it the glazed treatment, which means that I need more than just a basic 3-view. I've tried to contact VFW, the company which took Heinkel over after the war, but to no avail. Would anyone be able to put me in a better direction? I'd really appreciate it.
     
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    Gosh no, this one was designed by the Gunter brothers, the same guys who gave is the 111, 112, and 70, among others, which is also evident in the same approximate wing plan form. When this first flew in 1937, it was touted by the Propaganda Ministry as the twin-engined HE111U bomber. Yes, it was a twin, but the engines were buried in the fuselage driving one prop.
    It didn't have an exposed canopy, but rather the nose itself was glazed.

    This is so obscure that I can't even find one really poor pic of it, let alone a 3-view on the internet, which is a shame, because it is such a pretty design.

    Right now, I'm sketching the wings out on paper(I'm one of the remaining old school modellers who prefer pencil and paper designing as opposed to doing designing on a computer), including plotting out the wing sections(I'm using the NACA 23015 airfoil, because I know it so well, and it has good characteristics). The fun part will come when I begin the fuselage, with the glazing.

    All the information I have on it, including the 3-view is from William Green's Warplanes of the 3rd Reich.
     
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    Great that they have it!
     
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    Yes indeed. But, I'd like more than just a three-view. Green said that it changed from a flattened oval to a circular aft. I'm hoping to find a bit more than that, such as cross sections. Other than that, I've started drawing the plans. I'm thinking of drawing both wings, the more elliptical V1 and V2 wings, and the V6 with the squared tips. The V1 version scales to just over 80 inches span, while the V6 scales to just over 72 inches.

    The bear, however, will be the nose, which is glazed, with no canopy protruding. going to have to make one myself, which means I might have to figure out a way to vacu-form. A Winter's worth of work, either way.
     
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    Good luck to you for your project!
     
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    Well, it used to be that one would take the 3-view and go from there. Since then, there have been a lot more resources made available for the aspiring builder of any particular project. But, in view of the dearth of data, I'm going to have to do it the old fashioned way, building from, and extrapolating from the 3-view. At best, this would probably give me a standoff scale project, which is just fine by me, as I'm using an airfoil that was most likely not used in the real thing, but which I am quite familiar with, the NACA 23015, which, incidentally was used on more than a few US designs during the war.

    Still and all, I expect this to be a fun project over the Winter, in addition to the 1/48 scale DO217(which might eventually be the starting point for an rc scale project).

    And, for the rc 119, I'm thinking of an electric motor for power.

    But that elliptical wing, that is one pretty planform.
     
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    Yeah and a bit of gulling...This design looks a little way out there...the angle of attack just taking off would be huge...Engine maintenance would be a nightmare...is the pilot sitting or prone? Are you going for the float plane or land version?
     
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    Well, I doubt the pilot position is prone, although it look like, from the three-view that it could be the case. But, Green says that it was a three-seat aircraft.

    Yeah, the engine, there are two, side-by-side, coupled to one drive shaft, situation must've been a nightmare, ala HE177.
     
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    I built a 1/72 model of one, highly modified to a what-if "Aichi 119", as if part of "Kommando Marschall" operating in the Pacific (note "Zuni"-like markings that combined the white-outline Balkenkruze with the "meatball"). I put the coolant radiator on top, and blended it into a top-gunner's position:


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    FYI--The pilot and co-pilot sat, facing forward, on either side of the propeller driveshaft. The third crewmember was the "rear gunner".
     
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    This good enough detail? Also gives detail of the radiator installation...

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