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Would you consider the atomic bombs a war crime?

Discussion in 'Atomic Bombs In the Pacific' started by thecanadianfool, May 5, 2012.

  1. formerjughead

    formerjughead The Cooler King

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    If you read not only the quote, but also the linked article, you will see that there was anticipation that up to "7" would be ready by "X" day for operation Coronet wich was scheduled to be in March of 1946.

    Tibets also states that he was en route to pick up and return with the third Bomb when Japan called it quits. Seems to me that there was still alot of the Genie left in the bottle.
     
  2. Tamino

    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    In my view, Americans were too generous with Japan after all they did in Asia. Imperial Japan should have been beaten so dearly to sincerely regret the day they attacked Pearl Harbor. Now, instead, after the generous treatment they claim that Japan was the victim and that Americans were the bad guys for using nuclear bombs. Fortunately, the rest of the world understands what is the truth.
     
  3. 36thID

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    I'm unable to cut and paste a copy of General Groves memo to General Marshall dated July 30, 1945. He states a bomb would be leaving on July 30 from San Francisco. He confirmed 3 will be ready in September. 3-5 will be ready in October, with one being a smaller bomb. There would be at least 5 available in November.
     
  4. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member Patron   WW2|ORG Editor

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    Okay, the third bomb could have been used before the invasion, as further demonstration that we had "plenty" of them. I suspect that third bomb would have done the deed if the first two didn't. Perhaps on someplace where the high muckety-mucks could have seen it, like Yokohoma.
     
  5. A-58

    A-58 Cool Dude

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    I think that they should have made the Imperial Palace ground zero with the first one instead of Hiroshima. So much for the "living god thingee".
     
  6. 36thID

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    Besides being petty the Emperor's death would have removed the one man who could order a surrender and make it stick.
     
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    It's the thought that counts. If they wouldn't surrender then we'd "have to" pummel them with all those a-bombs Stevo mentioned earlier.
     
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    Yeah, and the 2,000,000 men under arms all over the theater as well. Individual commanders would have been the ones to decide if they'd accept a surrender order that came from anyone but the Emperor. And avenging him would have been the death of choice for a fair portion of them, I suspect.
     
  10. steverodgers801

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    The point of the bomb was to end the war, not cause it to go on
     
  11. Volga Boatman

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    Much that Macarthur achieved post-war can be attributed to the very fact that the Mikado was left alone and unprosecuted for war crimes.

    Postwar occupation of Berlin brought on a Cold War.

    American attempts to 'reconfigure' the Japanese and their society postwar can only be judged as a roaring success by comparison with the carry-on and expense of The Cold War.

    So, keeping Hirohito intact was a good move.
     
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    I wouldn't say the multi-national occupation of Berlin was a great initiator the Cold War. Korea was more of an cause that Berlin IMHO.
     
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    Certainly there was nothing to equal the Cold War in Asia. Korea was 'hot', and the Chinese, too, but niether of them had The Bomb....for the moment....
     
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    But Korea was Russia vs. the US by proxy, in actual combat.
     
  15. formerjughead

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    Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan are located on which continent?
     
  16. Tamino

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    At the time of peace negotiations the Red Army was redying for war at the border of Manchuria. The essential question was: who will fill the gap after the collapse of the entire Japanese imperial army. Delays might have dramatic impact on distribution of powers in Asia. Hence such hectic to end the war as soon as possible.
     
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    The USSR might have gotten a force on Hokkaido, but not a significant one. We were loaning them small ships for use in the Pacific, Operation Hula.
     
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    Tamino Doc - The Deplorable

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    I see, I wasn't precise enough: I was talking about the continental Asia, not about the Japanese isles. :)
     
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    Fair enough. I don't do much what-iffing.
     
  20. belasar

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    Pardon me, was that wafting or what-iffing?
     

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