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Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by luka, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. luka

    luka Member

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    Can anyone provide me with a list of small arms used in WWII?

    I am trying to do a small one-page presentation of them; I need to know if I have missed anything important.

    http://hk.geocities.com/guncobook/03.html

    Thank you!
     
  2. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Is the link your page?

    One that stands out missing for me is the BAR, Browning Automatic Rifle, used by every rifle squad in the US Army.

    Edit also add the M2HB, .50 cal machine gun
     
  3. luka

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    I do have the BAR on picture #35 already.

    I am only doing small arms at this time, and try not to include the heavier weapons. If it sit on a tri-pod or pedestal, it will have to be some other time.
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Here are some more.

    Soviet AT Rifles – PTRD-41, PTRS-41

    Germany – Panzerwurfmine, PzB39 Antitank mine Gewehr 98 and all it’s variants Karbiner 98, Gewehr 41(W) and Gewehr 43,

    Japan – Type 97 Anti-tank Rifle. Type 100 submachine gun,

    UK – Northover Projector (surprise them with this one, it’s a dilly), De Lisle carbine, Various marks of the Vickers Machine Gun, the Vickers-Berthier light machine gun,

    Switzerland – Steyr-Solothurn S1-100

    Are you also including the following?

    Hand grenades

    Rifle Grenades from all combatants.

    Flame Throwers?

    Squad mortars such as the Japanese 50mm Light mortar?

    Italian Brixia?

    I guess it may all depend on your definition of "small" arms.
     
  5. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I posted after your post.
    I see the BAR page now.
    I am blind in one eye and can't see out the other.:eek:
    Same goes for the Vickers.
     
  6. luka

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    Nice website and an ambitious undertaking. Here are a few observations on the nomenclature of U.S. weapons.

    "Colt 1911 / 1911A1

    Colt General Officer

    Colt 1917

    S&W Victory Model"


    1. Several contractors manufactured the M1911A1 pistol during WWII, principally Remington-Rand, Ithaca, and Colt. While the ordnance nomenclature is "U.S. Pistol, cal. .45, M1911A1," I suggest shortening this to M1911/1911A1, rather than using "Colt."

    2. Ditto the M1917 revolver. Smith & Wesson and Colt each made about 150,000 of these during WW1, so the designation is M1917 cal. .45. The caliber would distinguish the revolver from the M1917 Enfield rifle, which, by the way, was not called the Pattern 1914 in the U.S. military.

    3. The factory name for the S&W revolver is "Military & Police." Some collectors distinguish between pre-Victory and Victory, saying that the Victory model began with the 'V' prefix examples. Not I, not I, but using the factory term would eliminate any confusion on this matter.

    4. The U.S. shipped about 600,000 of these M&P revolvers in cal. 38 Smith & Wesson to Britain and the Commonwealth Nations. It was not indigenous to G.B., so perhaps doesn't fit your criteria.

    5. "Colt General Officer." This is the Colt M1908 pocket pistol in cal. .380 Auto. Only about 3,100 were bought by the U.S. I don't know whether it was called the General Officer pistol during the war, but it was ordered for the generals. The U.S. also bought about 17,300 Colt M1903 pocket pistols, cal. .32 Auto, many for use by the OSS. The M1903 and 1908 are the same pistol in different chamberings.



    If you haven't done so, buy a copy of Hogg and Weeks Military Small Arms of the Twentieth Century. It would be a fine reference for your project.

    JT
     
  8. Jaeger

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    No mention of the Norwegian Army??

    Sidearms
    Nagant m1893 Revolver
    Kongsberg Colt. (Licence produced 1911 Colt from Kongsberg Våpenfabrikk)

    Submachine guns.
    Soumi KP-31 (Was beeing tested for the Army as war broke out)
    Sten Gun (Supplied from the British)

    Service Rifles
    Krag Jørgensen (Several types. Carabines for Engeneers and Cavalry, Long Krag for Snipers etc.)
    Lee Enfield No.4 (Bolt Action)
    M1917 Enfield (Bolt Action)
    Pattern 1914 Enfield (bolt Action)

    Machineguns
    Bren Gun
    Madsen Maskingevær m/14 m/22
    Hotchkiss m/1898 Hvy Maskingevær
    Colt Machinegevær m/29 (7.92mm)

    Mortar
    Kongsberg 81mm (licenced of a French design)
     
  9. jacobtowne

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    The Romanians used the Beretta M1934 pistol as a standard issue sidearm under a contract from 1941. It was foreign made, so once again, may not fit the criteria for inclusion.

    JT
     
  10. luka

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    Great info, thanks guys!

    BTW, I am not grouping them buy the user end, but by the country of origin. As long as they product the weapon locally, even just an exact copy, I will add it in.

    Will probably start doing some updating after Thanksgiving.

    [FONT=&quot]Thank you again![/FONT]
     
  11. luka

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    Hey, guess what I have been doing while the wife out shopping!



    (1) Changed the nomenclature of some U.S. weapons as suggested.


    (2) Added the following items

    Finland
    Lahti L-39

    Germany
    Panzerwurfmine
    Panzerbüchse PzB 38

    Panzerbüchse PzB 39
    GRB39 Granade Launcher
    Volkspistole

    Japan
    Type I rifle
    Type 92 Anti-Tank Rifle

    Norway
    Kongsberg Colt M.1914
    Krag Jørgensen series

    Poland
    Maroszek WZ.35

    Switzerland
    Furrer MP-41
    Schweizer LMG 25

    UK
    De Lisle Carbine

    USSR
    PTRD 1941
    PTRS 1941
     
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    Just added the German Luger P06 to page 10.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all WW2F members!
     
  13. Troglodyte

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    @ luka
    Very nicly done !
     
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    Thank you, Troglodyte!

    P.S.: Just added the Japanese Type-97 sniper rifle to page 20.
     
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    Nice website weapons listing!
     
  16. luka

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    Just find something to fill that enpty space on page 27, Carl Gustaf Kpist M-37.
     
  17. luka

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    June 2008 Update

    Page 01 ---> New Zealand – Charlton Automatic Rifle
    Page 07 ---> Finland – Suomi M26
    Page 13 ---> Germany – MKb.42
    Page 14 ---> Germany – Mauser STG 45
    Page 24 ---> Poland – Wz.1939 Mors
     
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    July 2008 Update

    Page 16 ---> Greece – Mannlicher-Schoenauer Y:1903/14 Car. & Y:1903/14/30
     
  19. luka

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    September 2008 Update

    WWII Section

    Page W06 --> Czechoslovakia - ZK-382
    Page W08 --> France - Lebel 1886-M93 / Mle 1886 93R35
    Berthier M1907-15 / M1916
    Mousqueton d’ Artillerie M1916
    Page W09 --> France - Ribeyrolles 1918 / Darne Modele 1922
    Page W13 --> Germany - EMP 44 / Volksgewehr VG-2
    Page W16 --> Germany - MG-45
    Page W17 --> Germany - MG-81 / Sturmpistole
    Page W18 --> Germany - Faustpatrone / Hafthohlladung
    Page W19 --> Germany - Panzerbüchse PzB 40
    Page W20 --> Germany - Mauser M41 / Gustloff M1941 / BSW 1 / Luftfaust
    Page W29 --> Poland - Choroszmanów / Bechowiec 1 / Teteryka / Samoróbka
     
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    Slipdigit Good Ol' Boy Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Good work, Luka.
     

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