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Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by luka, Nov 21, 2007.

  1. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Here are a couple more for the UK and South Africa,


    Howell Automatic Rifle
    Calibre: .303 in
    Rifling & Twist: 5 Groove, Enfield, LH
    Barrel Length: 25.2 in (640mm)
    Overall Length: 44.5 in (1130mm)
    Approx. Weight: 11 lb 12 oz (5.3kg)
    Magazine Capacity: 10 or 20 rounds
    Converted: Base Workshops

    The Howell Automatic Rifle was developed during the first World War in Britain, and reappeared early in the second as a means of conversion to automatic weapons for issue to Home Guard and for anti-aircraft use. Conversion to a Howell was permanent and could only fire in full automatic.

    http://www.darkminds.com/~drake/junk/Howell.gif

    Reider Automatic Rifle
    Calibre: .303 in
    Rifling & Twist: 5 Groove, Enfield, LH
    Barrel Length: 25.2 in (640mm)
    Overall Length: 44.5 in (1130mm)
    Approx. Weight: 11 lb 8 oz (5.2kg)
    Magazine Capacity: 10, 25 or 30 rounds
    Converted: The Castle, Capetown

    The South African Reider Automatic Rifle was produced in 1940-1941 and was a more modular design which could be 'dropped in' to the rifle and later removed without harming the rifle - the bolt was not modified. The last conversions made in mid-1941 were of a more refined design but the whole concept was shelved in 1941 when nobody particularly wanted to adopt the rifle attachment. The Reider was also capable of semi-auto fire.

    Howard Francis Self-Loading Carbine
    Calibre: 7.63mm Mauser
    Rifling & Twist: 5 Groove, Enfield, LH
    Barrel Length: 12.75 in (324mm)
    Overall Length: 32 in (812mm)
    Approx. Weight: 8 lb 1.5 oz (3.7kg)
    Magazine Capacity: 12 rounds
    Converted: Prototype Only

    A very interesting one is the Howard Frances Self-Loading Carbine, a conversion from a No. 1 Mk III SMLE to the 7.63mm Mauser pistol cartridge. It fired in semi-automatic only. Suffered some feeding and extraction problems and, despite meeting accuracy and soundness of design concept, never made it past prototype stage. Very light and very short little carbine."

    http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/i.../t-106474.html

    An Australian version of the Charlton was also produced, the Charlton Automatic Rifle, SMLE Model
     
  2. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Here is another one you might have missed.
    Sweden
    Ljungman AG42B
     
  3. paratrooper506

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    some wierd guns I have never heard of before strange.
     
  4. JCFalkenbergIII

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    How about the ,


    Model 1911 Carbine ("K11")

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    Barrel Length - 23.3 inches: 4-groove, RH, concentric rifling, 1 in 10.63
    Overall Length - 43.6 inches
    Weight - 8.85lbs empty
    Action - Schmidt-Rubin Straight Pull
    Caliber - 7.5x55 Swiss (GP11)
    Capacity - 6 round detachable box magazine
    Sights - Tangent-leaf sight graduated to 1500m
    Total Production : 185,150
    Bayonet: Models 1892 Spike Bayonet, 1899, 1918, 1906 Pioneer (Sawback) and 1914 Pioneer (Sawback) Produced concurrently with the 1911 Rifle, the 1911 Carbine replaced both the Short Rifle and Calvary Carbine. While production of the 1911 rifle stopped in 1919, Carbine production continued until 1933 with some 184,000 Carbines being produced.
     
  5. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Or for Sweden the Carl Gustav M/42 20mm AT?
     
  6. paratrooper506

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    does not sound like a one man operated weapon to me.
     
  7. luka

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    Very interesting, we will look into it. It's just the links are not working!
     
  8. luka

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    [FONT=&quot]Yes, they are Photoshop for sure. Since I am not excluding the unusual prototype weapons from my list, I just wonder if the they ever attempt to make prototypes like that, it just seem logical. [/FONT]
     
  9. luka

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    Just added the following;

    Page W18 - Knorr-Remse Assault Rifle
    Page W51 - Reider Automatic Rifle
    Page W55 - Ljungman AG-42
    The AG-42 was sitting at the Modern weapon section all along by mistake, sorry!
    Page W56 - Schmidt Rubin K11

    Not yet find usable photos for the Howell Automatic Rifle or the Howard Francis Self-Loading Carbine, anyone got photos?
     
  10. JCFalkenbergIII

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    I havent seen any. Ill look around. But Im glad to have been of some help LOL. :)
     
  11. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Very nice listing...thank you!
     
  13. luka

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    Great, thank you JCFalkenbergIII!

    Just added;
    Page W30 - Howell Automatic Rifle

    So now we just need the Howard Francis Self-Loading Carbine. Also, anyone have a picture of the Australian version of the Charlton Automatic Rifle?

    BTW, can anyone put a name on this thing?

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  14. razin

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    That's a Chalton semi auto rifle posted by JC Falkenberg 111 on the British Rifle thread on this site.

    Has anyone noticed the barrel on the thompson behind the Howell A R in JCFalkenbergIII post #51.
     
  15. luka

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    So, is that the Australian version?
     
  16. lwd

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    you might try asking at MUSEUM they were very helpful when I was trying to identify my dad's souvenir / deer rifle.
     
  17. luka

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    OK, according to this site, that is WWI vintage.

    REME Weapons Collection - Automatic and Self-Loading Rifles
    Weapon No 71

    Rifle .303 inch Mk III (Experimental Self-Loading)

    [FONT=&quot]One of the early attempts to convert the No 1 rifle to semi-automatic action during the First World War. Although it appears a rather clumsy attempt, it shows all the same fundamental characteristics as the modern types.

    Anyway, just added 2 more

    [/FONT] Page W36 - Australian Charlton Semi-auto Rifle
    Page W38 - Charlton Automatic Rifle Mk2

    [FONT=&quot]Now, just need the [/FONT]Howard Francis Self-Loading Carbine.
     
  18. razin

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    LuKa
    Go to British Rifle thread #24 I think that is the New Zealand Charlton and same thread #29 is probably the Australian version, the reason the Australian did not need it is because they set up their own Bren faciity at Lithgow.
     
  19. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Glad to be of help :).
     
  20. luka

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    You still have the old gun book? What did it say?
     

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