Your so right. We do deserve better. It must be an age thing too, but we were talking about the same thing at work, where I said, when I was serving my apprenticeship, people did not frequent places where trouble hung out. No one would talk to the troublemakers in society, unless they were that type too. They were shunned.Nowadays with all this claptrap on political correctness, pshycologists, and all the rest of the do-gooders, too many allowances are made for the "poor wee souls who come from broken homes and cant get a job etc" Thats been the downfall of this country. No pride, just lets see what we can get away with mentallity. No respect. Now if your a layabout, alchi, thats never worked a day in your life, bred a dozen kids who terrorize everybody else. Your made! Maybe one day it will come full circle, and the rest of us will see this type of phsycologists clap trap binned. hopefully?? regards John