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#1 pumpupthebbq

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 02:15 PM

Hi all,

I was wondering wether any of you can identify some items I found in the woods near Manhay a couple of years ago. I know some heavy fighting took place there during christmas of '44.

1. Some kind of fuse?

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2. It looks like the base of a tripod or something...

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3. This thing is really heavy and looks like a cap of some sort (threading on the sides) but with some kind of mechanism on the inside?...

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3. Closeup of the back.

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Any ideas?

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 02:22 PM

Welcome BBQ!!
Those are some interesting item! I don't know what they are but I can tell you we have many member here that I'm sure can help you! you might want to go to the "New Members" section just to introduce yourself, so we can get to know you a little better!
Good luck on your research and again welcome!!
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#3 Martin Bull

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 03:27 PM

Hello, pumpupthebbq....

The first item - if the nose is made from brass, looks like part of the fuze from a US shell. The second item, I cannot identify.

The third item is interesting ; it's identical to one I found two weeks ago at le Bas Aubry wood in the Falaise Gap. German artillery was sited in the wood and there were artillery-related relics lying about. As you say, the item is very heavy, and if you look closely at the one I have, it has a small brass ( adjusting ? ) screw let into one side of it.....

Someone out there must know....?:confused:
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 03:42 PM

Hello, pumpupthebbq....

The third item is interesting ; it's identical to one I found two weeks ago at le Bas Aubry wood in the Falaise Gap.


I thought i'd seen one somewhere before....;)
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 03:50 PM

Hi Bigfun and Martin!

@bigfun: Just introduced myself, thanks for taking a look!

@Martin: Bang on! It's got a screw on the side:

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You think its artillery related?

I thought i'd post one more find found in the same area, It's a piece of aluminium-ish plate with which looks like some kind of emblem on the front and a latch on the back...

front approx. 6 inches long:
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back:

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Would love to get some more information!

Cheers,

Pumpupthebbq

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 05:23 PM

@Martin: Bang on! It's got a screw on the side:

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You think its artillery related?


It is absolutely a 'double' of the one I found. At first I thought it may be a radiator cap ( the screw possibly being to relieve pressure and the base is threaded ) but it seems far too heavy for that. I guessed at artillery only because I knew that German guns fired from Aubry wood.

I really don't know - part of a vehicle ? Half-track, maybe ? Very frustrating.....

This will be one of those items which I'll see in a museum or militaria fair and think.....AH - HAH ! ;)
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#7 272VGD.

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 09:37 PM

Items 1 and 3 belong together.
US detonator used on many kind of shells, 75mm/76mm/105mm/155mm etc.
Used on different types of detonators, like the M51, M57 etc...
You find these often on battle fields.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 09:37 PM

US Ontstekingsmiddelen: - M57 P.D. FUZE - Bodemvondsten : Forum tweede wereldoorlog
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 06:34 AM

272VGD - what can I say ? Superb identification work ! :cool:

So that's another 'first' for me - a US relic of Falaise.....but logical when you think of it. Le Bas Aubry wood was being used to shelter German forces before the final dash to the river ; and as an artillery position to cover the crossing. It would have been under heavy bombardment from the US forces approaching toward Chambois ; the remains of shell holes could clearly been seen in the woods.
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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:25 PM

The M57 etc. (item 3.) was also made from copper/brass, on a small scale.
Very rare to find! I only have one yet.. which is not complete.
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#11 S.Vestae

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 05:06 PM

Hello All,

Nice Relic !!! ;)

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#12 272VGD.

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 09:42 PM

We (my friend) dugup quite a few of these detonators some weeks ago in the German Eifel, some still in the metal containers, in very good condition!

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Posted 18 May 2008 - 10:20 PM

wow what a find are they mortor bombs like you sat some are still in good con
what are the little pellet things
and thankyou for showing us your good time
cheers krieg:D
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#14 272VGD.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:12 AM

TNT charge...
Offcourse we didn't take this finds with us!
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 10:04 AM

Once again, nice find! I'm learning every day here. Could the cap be related to a hydraulic system? A could be a lid for the aiming and steering device. Just a guess , nothing positive.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 05:49 PM

I agree Skip, I'm learning here as well, good stuff!
I agree Martin, looks like a radiator cap?
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 06:16 PM

These pics may help you with your identification

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#18 272VGD.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 07:50 PM

Exactly!
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 07:57 PM

Looks like a winner to me!! Nice work.....now what is it?
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#20 272VGD.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:26 PM

Read my comments above.... ;)
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Posted 19 May 2008 - 08:37 PM

Ok, that's twice today I've done that! I'm going to go lay down, before I trip over my own feet!

ooops!:o
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#22 272VGD.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 09:12 PM

Hahaha... sh#t happens... :D
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#23 1ST Chutes

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Posted 09 June 2008 - 09:37 PM

# 3 is a fuze plug for an artillery round. Probably 105 mm as 155 has fuze rings.

The plug is for transport purposes and removed from the shell and replaced with a fuze before firing.

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Posted 10 June 2008 - 07:32 AM

These pics may help you with your identification


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