Welcome to the WWII Forums! Log in or Sign up to interact with the community.

"Mein Kampf" was very nearly a flop and a big embarrassment for Hitler. What if ?

Discussion in 'What If - Other' started by Karl-Otto Alberty, Sep 3, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Karl-Otto Alberty

    Karl-Otto Alberty Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2005
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    1
    Hitler’s famous book, the Bible of the Nazi party, is called “Mein Kampf” (My Struggle). Hitler originally wanted to call it, “Mein vier-ein-halb jahriger Kampf gegen Lugen, Dummheit, und Feigheit: eine Rechenschaft mit den Feinden der nationalsozialistichen Bewegung”. All of which means, “My Four and One-Half Year Struggle against Lies, Stupidity, and Cowardice: Settling Accounts with the Enemies of the National Socialist Movement”. He was talked out of that ridiculous title by Max Amann, who was his fellow inmate in Landsberg Prison in 1923. Amann suggested that Hitler change the title to “Mein Kampf”, and the rest is history. What would the Nazis have done without “Mein Kampf”, and how could they have survived with a surely to have been ridiculed leader?
     
  2. bigiceman

    bigiceman Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2005
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    3
    Would it have mattered if Hitler was ridiculed for his book? I am not sure what real role his book played in the structure of his socialist party. Did others read the book and help him to achieve the things he wrote, or did he direct them? Would his book have been needed at all for the achievement of his success?

    I am not sure if the book had caused Hitler ridicule if that would have made him a weaker leader inside Germany. He brought out a nationalistic fervor that may have only been strengthened by being made fun of from the outside. Now if the book would have made the Germans make fun of him, then he would have been ruined IMO.
     
  3. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,578
    Likes Received:
    1,487
    Location:
    London, England.
    Nobody read it anyway. It only became a 'best-seller' after Hitler achieved power, and then as more of a trophy to demonstrate party loyalty.

    IMHO ( and many others ) it is virtually unreadable.
     
  4. T. A. Gardner

    T. A. Gardner Genuine Chief

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2003
    Messages:
    6,136
    Likes Received:
    904
    Location:
    Phoenix Arizona
    Sadder yet, is that it is still a best seller today; if only in the Arab world.
     
  5. FramerT

    FramerT Ace

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2003
    Messages:
    1,570
    Likes Received:
    37
    Who gets the proceeds from a book like this?
     
  6. Col. Hessler

    Col. Hessler Member

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2004
    Messages:
    592
    Likes Received:
    12
  7. Karl-Otto Alberty

    Karl-Otto Alberty Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2005
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    1
    One thing Hitler could not possibly survive was public ridicule. As it was, many Germans couldn't decide whether he was a Godsend, or a lunatic. It was a delicate balance and the scales could have tipped either way many times. But he got all the breaks. Even the fine weather which greeted Hitler's early adventures was dubbed "Hitler Wetter". Hitler himself believed that higher forces were guiding him, as did many other Germans. Ridicule, and only ridicule, could have toppled his hold over the German people.
     
  8. Karl-Otto Alberty

    Karl-Otto Alberty Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2005
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    1
    FramerT brought up a very funny situaton. Where did all the profits from "Mein Kampf" go? Never one to be concerned about personal gain, Hitler's handlers were. So they arranged for all the money to go directly to Hitler. But when that wasn't enough, they cooked up a remarkably audacious scheme. Since Hitler's face was on all the postage stamps, he should be allowed to collect a royalty! I am not making this up. So that brought in mucho marks, and everyone went home happy. Some nerve, huh?
     
  9. TA152

    TA152 Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2002
    Messages:
    3,423
    Likes Received:
    120
    You have to admit what he lacked as a writter he made up for as a speaker. He was great at speechs and I don't even understand German. He knew how to say the right thing at the right time to fire up the crowd. I wonder if he wrote his own speechs who someone else ?
     
  10. bigiceman

    bigiceman Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2005
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    3
    That is a good question. His strength certainly did rest in his charisma with the masses. He may not have orchestrated all of the pagentry of the huge rallys that were held, but he played the crowd with his performances. I wonder what it is in our human nature that makes us succeptable to this kind of person?
     
    Martin Bull likes this.
  11. TA152

    TA152 Ace

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2002
    Messages:
    3,423
    Likes Received:
    120
    The Germans were hurt by the great depression more than others due to their WWI loss and Hitler told people he had the answers and was convinceing about it. He promised food and jobs when their were few and people listened and followed. By the time some found out he was the wrong person it was too late or too dangerous to stop him and the followers. The earlier leader was old and feeble, a WWI General, and did not take care of business. (forgot his name).
    But I would like to know if Hitler had a speech writer or if he was just a natural. He reminds me of Castro making a speech.
     
  12. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,578
    Likes Received:
    1,487
    Location:
    London, England.
    Hitler dictated his speeches which were recorded by one or other of his secretaries. They have described how he would work himself into a frenzy while doing so. There are a number of descriptions in Ian Kershaw's superb biography.

    His speeches were probably Hitler's greatest talent. Even Goebbels - no slouch himself ! - was impressed by one of Hitler's harangues at the Berlin Sportpalast ; describing it as a 'psychological masterpiece'....
     
  13. Martin Bull

    Martin Bull Acting Wg. Cdr

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,578
    Likes Received:
    1,487
    Location:
    London, England.
    The 'Mein Kampf' story is convoluted and interesting. In the first place, Hitler got the money - up to $1m a year when sales were at their peak.

    On the outbreak of war, the UK publisher gave all profits from MK to the Red Cross. The US publisher had their monies seized by the US Government and redirected to the War Claims Fund.

    Post-war, MK was banned from sale in Germany. The publisher in the UK quietly donated any profits to a German charity ( the German Welfare Council ) who were involved with rehabilitation of Holocaust survivors.

    The US publisher, Houghton Mifflin, kept the profits - until word got out in 2000. Under considerable media pressure, HM now donate any MK profits to 3 different charities.

    The UK publisher has now been taken over by German conglomerate Bertelsmann, who are involved in a tussle with the State of Bavaria over ownership of rights to MK.

    Rather ironic, really.... :rolleyes:
     
  14. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Messages:
    26,461
    Likes Received:
    2,207
    In the latter part of WW2 it was rumoured in Germany that Hitler had decided to take a leave and wrihe his new book named Mein Krampf (My Cramp )...

    ;)
     
  15. bigiceman

    bigiceman Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2005
    Messages:
    811
    Likes Received:
    3
    :D :D :D ROFLMFAO :D :D
     
  16. Hands

    Hands Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2005
    Messages:
    88
    Likes Received:
    0
    i heard it was a best seller in the Soviet Union.
    All proceeds went to Stalin.
     
  17. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2002
    Messages:
    26,461
    Likes Received:
    2,207
    In Adam Tooze´s Wages of Destruction

    " Nazis were so cash-strapped by autumn 1928 that they were forced to call off their annual party rally. Sales of Mein Kampf had slumped so badly that Hitler´s publisher decided to hold back his "second book" for fear of spoiling the market."
     
  18. Sloniksp

    Sloniksp Ставка

    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2006
    Messages:
    6,321
    Likes Received:
    460
    Stalin had actually read the book several times I believe and was well aware of Hitler's intentions.

    At the singning of the Ribbentrop pact it was noted as Stalin saying to Malotov " Im signing a non-agression pact with a nation who's ultimate goal is to destroy us "

    makes one wonder why he did it ;)
     
  19. Skipper

    Skipper Kommodore

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2006
    Messages:
    24,984
    Likes Received:
    2,386
    Hitler would have come to power without this book. The book became famous because of his author not the contrary, so I don't think it would have changed history. In fact had more people read it, they could have guessed some of his evil intentions.
     
  20. Roddoss72

    Roddoss72 Member

    Joined:
    Nov 29, 2006
    Messages:
    364
    Likes Received:
    5
    I bought a copy several years ago and i found it very hard to believe that people would buy into Hitlers personal dogma. But circumstances of the times allowed Germany and Hitler to prosper under the persecution complex. I have seen many film clips of Hitler giving his speeches and all i can say is that even after all these years and knowing what this monster did, i felt that i would march for him, fight for him, die for him and then when the film clip was over and the euphoria had gone i could not believe that he could stir so much emotion within me, and i don't know that much German.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page