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#1 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 10:16 PM

Hi,were the western allies worried in 45 that the red army wouldlnt stop at Berlin and start a war against uk,usa,france etc.After all in those years the red army was the biggest in history.If the red army did keep advancing could the western allies of held them back even being slighty out numbered or almost even in numbers.?

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Posted 03 April 2006 - 11:18 PM

Soviets would most likely not advance for two reasons. One was Stalin planned later to invade farther west but nukes and unpreparedness stopped him later. Second was the soldiers of the red army were sick of war and needed a new reason. They fought for four harsh years and were virtually exhausted. Meanwhile, they only fought in that war because of total fear of the Nazi's if they won so they fought hard. Allies would show signs of democracy and freedom, so you would need a very good reason other than spreading 'communism'.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 09:40 AM

I agree with Panzer. The Soviet soldier did a formidable job conquering the Germans. They had taken many losses and were very war weary. Trying to turn them upon the Allies would have been a major accomplishment. There were some incidents of course along the lines, but to try and motivate the already worn troops against an ally would have been tough.
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#4 Za Rodinu

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 07:59 PM

This matter was extensively discussed in the What-If thread "USSR vs. USA"

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#5 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:20 PM

If the SU did invade the western allies in say 1946 and pushed them back to the sea.If they did manage this and start an invasion of the UK would that of been a sucess or not.?

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Posted 04 April 2006 - 11:28 PM

The British still had the most powerful navy in the Atlantic Ocean and the Soviets had no experience with amphibious operations.

Here is the formula for a successful scenario. The Soviets push the NATO countries out of continental Europe and an uneasy armistice follows. The Soviet military embarks upon a planning and training scheme similar to the buildup for operation Overlord. This includes the development or copying of amphibious assault craft. Along with the development of this amphibious armada they must also develop and manufacture a large enough air force to ensure that they will have complete air superiority. They must also figure out a way to develop and deploy all of the equipment without NATO getting any intelligence about it. If they are successful in all of those areas they would be ready to make their assault somewhere in the early 1950s I think.

Given their success at all of these objectives they would then have to use their air superiority to prevent the NATO navies from interdicting the crossing, and prevent the NATO air forces from interferring. We will leave the use of tactical nukes out of the discussion because by this time both sides will be armed with them forming an effective deterrant. If they were able to achieve complete suprise then the British Isles would have been in grave danger. If they knew about the invasion coming, then it would be a contested landing and that would be very difficult indeed.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 12:11 AM

Originally posted by Za Rodinu:
This matter was extensively discussed in the What-If thread "USSR vs. USA"

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#8 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 12:33 AM

Thx for replying,Thats say SU took over France and destroyed the allied armys on the coast.There would be long pause before lauching any invasion on the UK to build up their navy and airforce.To get over the problem with the allied navy the SU could use German plans for subs.The SU could build on the german design and improve it, also they could build them in vast numbers fast.If the SU bought there airforce back up to full strengh like it was in 1940 they would have a good chance of winning the air war.In The inavasion plan they could invade from 3 places like Norway,France and Germany.This would cause the allies to split their navy up and weaken it in places.Thats say the first succesful landing by the SU would be Scotland and the 2nd and 3rd at the main land a number of days after the first landing.If that worked then during the first day when the first Su invasion started the allies would have to send alot of divisons from the south to Scotland weakening the south of UK.?

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 03:26 PM

A BIGGER WHAT IF

What if the SU decided to invade the moon, would they send the White Sea Fleet to the Sea of Tranquility? Or to the Sea of Crises?

I think this thread is going from a what-if into lunacy. The SU landing in Scotland? Oh please!

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#10 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 05:17 PM

yeah true but who cares

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 06:34 PM

.....no comment.....
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#12 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 09:26 PM

who cares about the moon the only thing the moon did was to make the tide in the sea not the tide turn in ww2)))

#13 Machine Gun Nest 1985.

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Posted 05 April 2006 - 09:37 PM

yeah the su could of landed an invasion force on the moon but after all aint much point.why didnt hitler land on the moon he could of played golf and admired the great views.All the leaders could of had party on the moon and then bring back moon dust to make moon tanks out of.

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 11:55 AM

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Posted 06 April 2006 - 01:12 PM

I suggest this topic will be closed.
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Posted 06 April 2006 - 03:16 PM

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