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#1 Tomcat

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 12:37 PM

Does anyone know the actual difference between these two defences?

I always thought that a Bunker was more of a small defensive structure that contained with a squad of infantry or a machine gun, and a pillbox had any type of antitank weapon in it, but is there an actual official definition of it.

This is all I could find.

They are different.

In their simplistic difference:

pillbox: able to fight from it, small in size

bunker: living quarters, larger in size

Bunkers had a common design, as did the pillboxes. Bunkers also had a machine gun firing slot that covered the entrance to the bunker.

See The German Army Handbook, published by the University of La. It has decent figures of bunkers and pillboxes in it.

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Posted 20 January 2010 - 12:38 PM

I just found this as well

Pillboxes & Bunkers - A pillbox gives hard cover to one machine gun or infantry base. A bunker gives hard cover to two machine guns, three infantry bases or one towed cannon base. Large bunkers which hold more than this should be covered in special scenarios.


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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:04 PM

Bunker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Says here that bunkers are basically defensive structures often built fully or partially underground to protect its occupants from outside hazards. Pillboxes are a subcategory of bunkers and are basically dug in guard-posts with embrasures. The name derives from the shape. Seems to me that pillboxes were specifically designed to defend against enemy ground units and could be placed in concordance with other defensive structures in order to form interlocking fields of fire. They could also be camouflaged to maintain the element of surprise against enemies.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 01:41 PM

Yep, bunkers were usually designed as accommmodation/offices, while pillboxes were specifically fighting structures.
The trouble starts when folk confuse semi-sunken pillboxes and bunkers.
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 08:53 PM

So it is one of those "is it a hill or a mountain," "A boat or a ship"? It has a general rule about it but there are exceptions?
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Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:25 PM

you want to see a bunker.....see my 5 signature you tubes....now thats a bunker...Maginot line would be jelous of.

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 06:58 PM

Sunken Pillboxes Guarded Jap Coast

fact or fiction..lol..interesting idea?

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Posted 10 October 2010 - 07:35 PM

The OED has;

Bunker; Reinforced underground shelter.

Pill-Box; Small isolated chiefly underground concrete fort.

the British designations for the WW2 ones seems to call them almost all pillboxes regardless of amount underground, if they have embrasures;

British hardened field defences of World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 08:27 PM

My thoughly unscientific definition, if you were attacking it, it looked like a bunker, if you were defending from it, it felt like a pill box!
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Posted 10 October 2010 - 08:41 PM

Bunker: In ground smaller sized fortification
Pillbox: Above ground smaller sized fortification




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