German Knight's Cross For Sale On Norwegian Website!

I was searching on a norwegian sale website, kinda like Ebay, and I came across a guy that sold some stuff from the war, and one of the items were a Knight's cross, he said it was given to Generalmajor Hellmuth Mäder who commanded the 7th Panzerdivision. The cross and the ring is marked "800", he doubts this is a copy, but what do you guys think? I have asked for how much the price is, and I might buy it if I can afford it, and if it is not a copy.

 

have you looked into what a original RK costs Vegar ? you are talking if this is indeed this man's RK probably 5,000.00 US minimum even though the cross is in terrible condition

 

interesting to say the least,and as erich said mega money either way,let us know how you get on,ray..

 

and I am probably on the very low end it could go for as much as 10,000.00 big ones especially if there was also paper documentation along with the RK.

 

Oh, i thought it might cost something like that, but i will just have to see what the seller says(I know that sounded weird, I can't afford it anyways).

 

I think the Oak Leaves would be $5,000.00 just by themselves...I wouldn't hold out much hope for this piece...

 

The ribbon itself can easily fetch about $2,000. I can say that the ribbon is original-im not good enough about the other items ;-))

Oh and I have seen on a German site-though some months ago-a decent Knights Cross listed for about $4,200 or so. It sold almost as soon as it was listed.

 

It' actually in a fairly good condition and can be easily cleaned. The buyer will have to choose whether he restores the paint or not. I'd just take the rust away and add some black polish. This way it would be protected against future rust and the color would be restored without altering the original condition. But what am I saying 5000$? I can buy a car with that money!!

 

If the seller himself doubts that what he is selling is probably a copy I would not think of buying the item to be honest.... That´s my point of view...

 

That makes sense. It's either good or bad, not "I don't know, but I still sell it for a fortune but I warned you just in case" like you see all the time.

 

I don't like it either, the date's all over the place. Carl, I don't think that it is an original ribbon - but you are more experienced than me

 

Hi Will, the authentication of this ribbon is easy. I base it on what I learned from two other collectors as well as from all the ribbons I have seen ;-)) Its hard to point out without having other examples handy to compare to but, you can tell its not the modern or post war repo ribbon. ;-)) Also, thanks for the vote of confidence in my abilities ;-))

 

What about the clasp? Doesn't it look a bit new?

 

I just took a better look at it (more than 2 seconds) and I dont like it either, but what the hey? whudda I know about these ;-))

 

generated fakes are all over the place one can get a ribbon, oakleaves and unless the experten has the item in hand to "feel", weight and closer inspection with magnifying glass you will never really know except to trust the seller........yikers ! that cross still looks too ugly to me to even consider with rusting within the iron-core, as Skip said it would take some clean up but then would it harm the black finish even further whether fake or real ?

my opinion would be to.........walk away fast

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I only question the ribbon because it has unusual stitching and off-colours. In my opinion, if you're going to spend this kind of money, unless you and the dealer know that it is a cast iron original - don't bother, it's not worth it.

And as for the claim of it belonging to Hellmuth Mäder, I'd want to see some pretty strong evidence for it. Sounds like a name's just been picked of a list if you ask me.

 

I cant really say anything about the Oaks and Swords as im not knowledgable enough on those eiter but, I think its felt here the RK is a fake. On looking at it longer-the cross looks like to me like it is a solid one-piece construction and as far as im aware of-no RKs were made as solid one-pieces.

Ive seen original RK ribbon and quite a few sites. Soem have it at low prices-others at high prices. Go to Huesken, Weitze, Niemann and a few others sites, and you will find original RK ribbon for sale-even bits and pieces ones like the above.

The Oaks and Swords to me look like early 1957 pieces. Im getting two sets of the mid period produced sets of Oaks and Swords-and the one shown looks like a 57 piece or downright not WWII vintage. Thi is based on what I have seen that Paul has as well as what he says on these items. This Paul is not a member here and im not giving out his last name for people to have to know who to bug about things ;-) I've got a major deal in the works with him and his stuff-but is taking forever thanks to UK Customs. At earliest, I see this taking at least another 2-3 months before I get the Cased 57 RK w/Oaks, Swords, Diamonds, Spare Oaks, and spare Oaks and Swords--in my skinny hands. I DO know where my package of trading material is-which as at some UK Customs Depot-sitting there on some dusty shelve-waiting to be returned to me by damned ship instead of air-like I sent it to begin with. UK Customs is also costing me at least $100.00 more in postage-rotten SoBs. Grrrrrrr.

 

Can you get a pic of the "800"? That would help,the fact there's no pic & other dubious points makes me sceptical,sorry. Stewy

 

No, the seller has not posted any other pictures, and i have tried contacting him, but no response.

 

The strike of the cross on the outside of the coil is not what i'd expect on a KC. But pics arn't the best. Stewy