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#1 Inquiringmind

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 01:59 PM

Hello. I'm a new member hoping to find out more about my yard sale finds. I have two hand stamps. One has a swastika with the word Berlin under it. It might have the letters NSDAP above it (National Sozialistische DAP), the German workers' party. The other has the Nazi SS totenkoph death head on it but I cannot figure out what the letters/symbols say. I have used my computer to flip the image so it will look as if it were on a stamped page. The heads of the hand stamps are made of a metal...maybe brass as they have a green tinge. I find these pieces of history fascinating and hope you knowledgeable folks can help me learn more about them.

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#2 Skipper

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:29 PM

I will need to see more details to confirm is these stamsp are genuine or not.

The second one is from a third Waffen SS Regiment and one particular Batailon ( second word = Bataillon ). I still need to decypher the first word

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 02:44 PM

That was my guess for the last letters (BATALEON) but that was as far as I got. Here is a photo showing the handles. The lady I bought them from said her grandfather brought them back from Germany right after the war ended. I'd be real surprised if they were repros but anything is possible! Thanks so much for the info!

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:29 PM

the spelling is Batailon. I think I have more. I think the first word is a name ending with the German declination "ger" so I still have to find out the first syllabe only.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 03:40 PM

So do you think they transposed the "L" and the "I" on the word "Batailon"? Do you have any idea what this old German font is called? I appreciate so much your help in deciphering this, Skipper!
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 04:11 PM

Maybe you could use a "carbon paper" (so as to not foul the faces with ink) and make impressions on plain white paper so that what they actually "stamp out" could be read easier?

Just a thought.
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#7 Inquiringmind

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 04:43 PM

Hey, Clint. I tried the carbon paper method but the photos came out much clearer than anything I could get on paper. Thanks for the tip though.
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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:05 PM

I say it's Skijeger Batalion. Norwegians maybe?

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WWW.WAFFEN-SS.NO "SS-SKIJÄGER BATTALION NORGE"

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#9 Skipper

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:34 PM

Norwegian GebirgsJäger in the Waffen SS then? Wow that's the first time I hear of those . the stamp could be bingo, but I'd still be careful there are many fakes on the market.

Edit the Norwaegian spelling as compared to the German is BATALJON

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#10 Inquiringmind

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 06:43 PM

I believe you're right, Milleniumgorilla! I can't believe how exciting it was to find out what the odd characters on this hand stamp were. What a great wealth of information this group offers! Thank you one and all!
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#11 Gebirgsjaeger

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:18 PM

Great finds! I ahve some friends on an norwegian WWII forum. I think they would be interested to see the SS-Stamp. Is it allowed to post this pic to an friend at there?
Maybe he knows something to the Stamp.

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Ulrich
Regards, Ulrich

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#12 Inquiringmind

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:20 PM

Absolutely yes, Ulrich, you may share the photos! Please share with us anything you might find out about these interesting pieces. Oh, and welcome to this great site. I'm a brand new member too.
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#13 Gebirgsjaeger

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 08:27 PM

Thank you Peggy, it will take a little time, but i´ll let you know if the boys may find something out on the stamps.

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Ulrich
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#14 sniper1946

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:00 AM

found this one for sale, and is original? I believe it's selling as, I feel it's a similar type of stamp, but no other pics, also! only stated as nazi hand stamp..

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#15 sniper1946

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 08:59 AM

having shown pics to people better informed on these things, the answer that came back from both, was european fake's, I'm sorry to say..

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 09:11 AM

No surprise in a world of fakes I expected that too. The only one I have has a makers coin on the top with name address etc.. in tiny letters, besides mine (From FRUNDSSBERG) is made in copper and so worn that it's hard to read

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#17 sniper1946

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 09:16 AM

I was not surprised to hear that either skipper, and seeing lots of them for sale in sicily last yr too, and poor they looked..

#18 Inquiringmind

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 02:07 PM

Skipper, the hand stamp looks very similar but the handle is a bit different and the letters are also different. I'm still convinced that these are not fakes but I'm a complete novice at these things. Any idea where I could get an expert to look at them?
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#19 sniper1946

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 02:32 PM

common reproductions was one reply peggy, and I'm inclined towards that answer too, many have been made throughout europe, where there's money to be made? there are fake's, and a lot of WWII stuff too.. these items are a specialist field to be honest, and the two replies given? I believe, are only going to be supported as repros, ray..

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 02:53 PM

you could get a third opinion by looking at european dealer sites. the key word in french would be "tampon allemand"

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:41 PM

having shown pics to people better informed on these things, the answer that came back from both, was european fake's, I'm sorry to say..



It's so terrible there are so many scammers out there selling fakes. These idiots should be put in jail for scamming people to believe it's real. It's worse when they do it with holocaust artifacts.. Selling fake concentration camp items or armbands and such.. Don't they know it gives holocaust deniers more fuel to believe it didn't happen.. giving them more reason to spread hatred.


In my opinion it's an evil thing to do....
Regards, Suzie.

#22 Inquiringmind

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 08:05 PM

Agreed, Suzie. If these hand stamps are indeed reproductions, I have to say I'm amazed and impressed at how convincing the people were at making them look so old and worn. I'd love to see a hand stamp that's authentic to compare mine with. Luckily, I spent very little money for these objects. It has been worth it for all the fun I've had in researching them! Many thanks, again, for the help everyone has given to identify them.
Peggy

#23 sniper1946

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 06:40 AM

here is the reply that I asked the question for you peggy, how do you tell!


You can mostly tell these by the poor craftsmanship.

The handles are usually all the same shape, a shape which is rarely seen on originals. Also, the stamp head is usually made of one metal which is itself encased in a seperate metal body or frame.

Original heads are usually made out of either steel, brass or rubber. Those made out of steel or brass are nearly always made out of one piece and are never encased within another metal frame.

To summarize, I would never trust a stamp which has the head "encased" in a seperate body.

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#24 Inquiringmind

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 12:49 PM

Thanks, Sniper! You are a wealth of information! I can't tell if the head is encased in a separate body or if it is all one piece. I also wouldn't say there was poor craftsmanship involved because the hand stamps appear to be very well made. I am completely clueless on these things so I am trusting the opinion of the experts on this board that these are indeed reproductions. I buy old stuff all the time and I'm just so impressed at how someone was able to make something that I would have sworn was at least 65 years old. I'm just so glad I didn't spend a big chunk of money on them!
Peggy

#25 sniper1946

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Posted 17 June 2010 - 01:30 PM

you'll be surprised at the lengths they go to peggy, chemicals is just one way they do it, and many more tricks too.. I saw stamps like these in sicily last yr, and they looked what they were! fake.. don't be surprised at how good the fakers are.. they are good...

pic 1 & 2 are supposed to be original? but are they! pic 3..:D

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