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#1 Fred Wilson

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 10:45 AM

A Thousand Shall Fall by Murray Peden
By far and away, still the best book on any topic area I have read.
The only book I have ever read back to back three times in a row without stopping.
There are two subsequent editions released after the 1979 edition (and its 1981 reprint) that I own, I have ordered both. (The latest with "Official Secrecy Act" release updates.)

Update November 26th:
I have just received the first of the two later revisions that I've ordered (the book is that good.)

Much to my delight, the book which arrived was the intervening one published in 1988.
The book contains a handful of minor corrections when re-published in the soft cover version.
Secondly, two USAAF heavyweights stepped in and requested permission to submit forwards to the new edition.
a) General Robert Dixon, commanding general for five years of Tactical Air Command; and
B) Lt. General Ira C. Eaker, Commander of the U.S. Eighth Air Force from October 1942 to January 1944.

Setting aside that so many US aircrew trained in Canada, the book so well describes the universal experience of crew training and operational duties everywhere that they wanted to take the opportunity to express their appreciation of the book.

It carries the highest recommendation of all:
"I consider it not only the best and most true to life 'war' book I've read about this war, but the best about all the wars of my lifetime."
- Marshall of the Royal Air Force, Sir Arthur Harris

High accolades indeed.

More here on the forum. http://www.ww2f.com/...er-command.html

I opened it up to look into the revisions and had completed well over a chapter before I could put it down again. Damn, what a magnificent book.

I can not begin to tell you how much I am looking forward to reading the latest revision.
I intend to have both books out side by side watching the wording of every single sentence.

I have donated the original (which is full of notes by my dad and uncle who knew many, many of the people mentioned personally) to a new library I have donated at the Vernon BC Legion. Drop in sometime when you are here in Canada and enjoy!

After months and months of no luck, the book is finally out in sufficient numbers again to be sold on Amazon. New and used are up for sale right now. Grab them quick. Trust me, its worth it, and please like me, donate it to your favorite local library when done.

The 1988 version has been almost entirely released on Google Books. Enjoy!
You will find about 75% of it there... but trust me, this is one you want to own and read in its entirety. It is worth every last penny and then some.

Edited by Fred Wilson, 27 November 2010 - 07:39 PM.

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Posted 23 November 2010 - 02:11 PM

Absolutely agreed - Murray Peden's book is one of the literary classics of WWII. I say 'literary' because it's just so well written ; the author is qualified in the Arts and his book 'reads' so well.

Unusual, too, in that Peden served in some of Bomber Command's less glamourous areas ; firstly on Stirlings and then, with the very 'hush-hush' 100 Group, on RAF B-17s. Truly a 'must-read'.....
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#3 Fred Wilson

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 07:20 PM

"Wrapping A Thousand Shall Fall in brown paper would not matter a damn – it is truly the mother of all classic war memoirs."
Aircrew Book Review: A Thousand Shall Fall - Murray Peden

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#4 Fred Wilson

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 12:19 AM

See also Murray Peden - A Thousand Shall Fall

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 01:33 PM

Agreed; without question, this is a GREAT book.

And I've had the great pleasure to speak and correspond with Mr. Peden over the past 6 months. He is a true gentleman, and one of my personal heroes.

Marc
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Author of 'Escape, Evasion and Revenge', and son of one of the war's most active escapers, a German-Jewish RAF bomber pilot/POW who won the Military Cross, without protection from the Geneva Convention. More info at: www.marchstevens.com

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 01:57 PM

Thanks for letting me know this could be another present on my future Christmas list.

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Posted 18 March 2011 - 12:41 AM

Good work it seems..... I'll check it out
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#8 Fred Wilson

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 07:30 PM

Good Stirling Bomber footage ‪Bombing of the Renault Motor Works, Paris, March 3/4 1942‬‏ - YouTube

A good video of the Short Stirling Production, flying and the Official "MacRoberts Reply" speech and presentation.
‪Short Stirling Bomber (better quality footage)‬‏ - YouTube

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 08:16 AM

I have had a copy of this book since it was first published here in England.

Can you give me an idea of what is contained within the expanded versions you mention? I might just have to buy one if there's enough new material in it....


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#10 Fred Wilson

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 09:31 AM

If you want to compare, I suggest inter-library loan. Wonderful book, but not worth purchasing a newer edition.

The second version just corrected a dozen or so typo's or minor facts.

The last edition just had a couple of items / pages appended at the end - this after the latest official secrecy act release.

The memorable one was a statement released by Sir Arthur Harris regarding friendly fire bombing of Allied Troops after D-Day.
The ground troops had been specifically ordered NOT to throw smoke for any reason on that day.
Unfortunately one group not only threw smoke but inadvertently threw the identical smoke colors selected by the Pathfinders that day, drawing the main force of the allied bombing directly on themselves.

NB:
Most likely the incident attributed to Bradly / Patton's forces on July 24 / 25th during Operation Cobra.

Published History had attributed the incident to a combination of:
a) Allied Daylight Bomber Command's order to keep friendly troops at least 3,000 yards from the bomb line; Bradley compromised on a minimal distance of 1,200 yards; and
B) the Allied Bombers were directed to fly parallel to the front line, but some flew perpendicular, thus the two front lines were separated by only 15 seconds on the bombing run.

The articles I have come across attribute this incident to USAAF Bombers, so keeping the facts secret must have been meant to avoid further traumatizing the victims families. / Reopening old wounds.

Edited by Fred Wilson, 31 July 2011 - 09:51 AM.
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#11 Fred Wilson

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:04 PM


Stepson of Arthur Ellison Sovereign:
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Bomber Command, WW2
http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html

Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

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#12 Fred Wilson

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:09 PM


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Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

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#13 Fred Wilson

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:43 AM

Ron Minchin talks about his days in WW11 piloting this heavy bomber.

The Stirling was designed to ferry bombs into the Ruhr but as the war progressed it was used to tow gliders in the Arnhem offensive and on D-Day.

Ron is a survivor and tells a remarkable tale of difficult times.

 

 

The Stirling On Parade

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 01:48 AM

Good Stirling Bomber Footage

 

 

Newsreel Introducing the Short Stirling Bomber

 


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Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:26 AM

Stirling Gills Animation Close up

 

 

 

Animation of the Stirling Bomber rear undercarriage screw drive operation

 


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Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 02:43 AM

Short Stirling - Start Up, Taxi, and Take Off Drill Manual.

 

 

Stirling Undercarriage Retraction Animation.

 


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Bomber Command, WW2
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Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

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#17 Fred Wilson

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 06:26 AM

Bump re: http://www.ww2f.com/...2938-interview/

I've started my long promised A Thousand Shall Fall Screenplay.
Book written by Captain Murray Peden of Winnipeg Manitoba.
The only production crew I would pass this to is that of Foyle's War. Hope our member drops in and reads this.

 

I thought it might be fun for us to do this as a team project here.

We all hate and despise movies and TV Series that are not historically accurate. Right?

So why not pool our talent and energy into one that is done perfecto?

 

Are you in? Then read A Thousand Shall Fall, 90% is up in Google Books Preview. <== Link here.

- So you have no excuses. K?

 

Pick a chapter and write a segment for the movie or TV Episodes. Two TV Episodes on one chapter if necessary. K? Sounds like a fun project. Eh?

 

If more than one person here makes a go at the same chapter, well then, it becomes a competition between you all. !!!!! Enjoy!

 

The stated objective is to aim to win an "Oskar" or TV Award for EVERY SINGLE category.

 - Does that get your juices flowing?

 

I am looking for veteran's quotes. RAF, RCAF, RAAF and RAFNZ only. K?
Post them here please.

There is one on WW2talk.com, a sig to a father his son never met.

Peter Clare, on 11 Jan 2015 - 3:42 PM, said:

In remembrance of my father Sgt S. Clare R.A.F Missing from operations 13th August 1942. Never Known, Forever Loved.


For searchers of Foyles War

 

Opening scene.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 06:53 AM

Opening Screen:

Read A Thousand Shall Fall on your Kindle.

 

Screenplay: By Fred T. L. Wilson Vernon BC Canada - Line ID: FriedEd

 

Screen opens to an elderly man and woman walking down a forest path into the evening fog.

Music: “Inside Me” by Fred T. L. Wilson, Secretarial Duties in the Screenplay.

http://www.youtube.com

 

Fade to black.

 

Fade to light, bombers flying into the evening Fog.

Fade to Black in evening fog, bombers still flying

Way off in the distant mist, one Bomber comes down in flames. Screen goes black.

 

Light Blue words fall off screen: A Thousand Shall Fall

Written by Captain Murrey Peden of No. 214 and No. 161 Squadrons

 

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Opening Credits - including a partial Wish List of Main Actors.

 -  http://www.tvguide.c...ason-3/hemlock/

Wing Commander: Brian George

Squadron Commander: Michael Kitchen
Squadron Adjucant:  
Jacinto Taras Riddick

Group Captain: Ben Livingston

Squadron Leader and Pilot: Julian Ovenden

Pilot, Murray Peden: Aidan Quinn 

Episode 6 and on Nurse: Honeysuckle Weeks

Pilot: Jonny Lee Miller

Pilot: Anthony Howell

Flight Engineer: Jon Michael Hill

Navigator: Raza Jaffrey

 

 - Focusing on youthful character actors that portray aircrew with very, very High IQ's.

 

Book reviews. Bomber Harrrison.

http://www.bombercom...urraypeden.html

"I consider it not only the best and most true to life 'war' book I've
ever read about this war, but the best about all the wars of my lifetime"
      -Marshal of the Royal Air Force, Sir Arthur Harris.

 

Fade in to:

 

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Ron Goldstein commented elsewhere, one of the most heartrending comments I have seen on this or any other forum below.

Fade in: 

Alarge family reunion dinner, utensils clattering, random chats all around.

 

This, from my, Ron Goldstein’s memoirs:
http://www.ww2f.com/...ica#entry563649

 

Ron Goldstein, on 22 Oct 2013 - 1:33 PM, said: 
http://www.ww2f.com/topic/51211-why-wwii/?hl=+north++africa - entry563649

 

Why ww2? This, from my memoirs:

 

1st September 1939

It was a Friday afternoon and the family were gathered in sombre mood in the kitchen of our house in Boreham Street in the East End of London.

The main talking point was the German invasion of Poland and the imminence of war in Europe.

 

I had celebrated my 16th birthday only a few weeks earlier, on the 16th of August, to be precise and I listened with feelings of excitement as

the elder members of the family discussed the likely outcome of the urgent Governmental meetings taking place in Whitehall at that moment.

 

“It has to be war now ” one of the boys said.
“They’ll start calling up all the men” said one of the girls.

 

The conversation flagged for a moment as if everyone was weighing up the consequences of what had just been said, there were, after all, five

men in the family , Lou, Jack, Mossy, Mick and myself and then of course there were our sisters husbands and boy friends, also of military age.

 

Mum spoke.
“Well” she said, as if seizing some consolation, “at least Ronnie won’t have to go”

 

Some three and a half years later, in April 1943, the troopship S.S.Frankonia anchored in the harbour of Algiers and prepared to discharged its cargo of fresh troops, reinforcements for the First Army in North Africa.

 

Amongst the last of the troops to disembark that day were a draft of wireless operators including one Goldstein.R., Army No.14300260,

in other words the same young man who’s mother had once said of him “At least Ronnie won’t have to go”

 

It was to be a long and terrible war and by the time it was all over one of the boys had perished whilst serving in Bomber Command in the RAF and life was never to be the same. Ron.

 

From: The BBC WW2 People's War Archives, by Ron Goldstein
http://www.ww2f.com/...ron/?hl=brother

In abiding memory of a much loved brother
Sgt.Air Gunner Jacob (Jack) Goldstein
166 Squadron, Bomber Command, Kirmington
Who died in the skies over Nuremberg on the night of the 16th March 1945.

Loss Record: http://lostaircraft....iewentry&e=9050
His Grave is at Durnbach, displaying, as it does, a British Legion poppy.
 

My parents and Jack's family were inconsolable.

 

If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if I am only for myself, what am I?
And if not now, when?
Rabbi Hillel circa 30 BCE
 

This, from his son's tribute to his father. 
BBC - WW2 People's War - The night my father was killed in action

 

Jack’s son Michael, who, like many others of his generation, was to lose his father at the tender age of five, was later to become Vice Chancellor of Coventry University and was awarded the CBE for his services to Higher Education.

 

Willie Tait, DSO and three bars; Murray Peden DFC; Bill Reid VC.

 

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Stay tuned for more..


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 08:15 AM

Start of Film

 

The First of the 10,000 to fall.

Sgt. (pilot) Albert Stanley Prince was the first Canadian combat casualty of the Second World War and the first of almost ten thousand Canadians to be killed while serving with Bomber Command….

 

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Sgt. Prince of was the first Canadian combat casualty of the Second World War and the first of almost ten thousand Canadians to be killed while serving with Bomber Command was also the first Canadian to die in combat in any of the services.

 

Sgt. Prince was based at Wattisham, Suffolk with RAF 107 Squadron equiiped with Bristol Blenheim IV N6240 OM-K..

September 4, 1939 five crews took off at 16:00 hours with 500 pounders with 11.5 second delay fuses to attack at low level to minimize risk to civilians. Together with the other four crews from No. 107 Squadron, Sgt. Prince took off from RAF Wattisham to attack German "pocket" battleship Admiral Scheer, cruiser Emden, and other warships anchored at the German naval base at the entrance to Wilhelmshaven on Germany's north coast.

 

http://www.bombercom....ca/prince.html
http://www.bombercom...s/p_prince1.jpg

http://www.ww2f.com/...ousand-to-fall/

http://www.lostaircr...iewentry&e=5579

 

Film fades to back, in fog

 

Film fades back in at Murray Peden's family l home, Murray receiving his notice of acceptance into Canadian Armed Forces.

<SNIP>


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Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 07:05 PM

Reminder:

 

1. This is only the opening titles and scene for the film. (Many edits since I first posted it.)

 

2. I am looking for other veteran's quotes of this quality. RAF, RCAF, RAAF and RAFNZ only. K?

Post them here please.

 

This for my long promised A Thousand Shall Fall Movie / TV Series Screenplay.

Book written by Captain Murray Peden of Winnipeg Manitoba.

The only production crew I would pass this to is that of Foyle's War. Hope our member drops in and reads this.

 

More to come. Stay tuned.


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Bomber Command, WW2
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Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 07:26 PM

Scene. Murray Peden saying goodbye and getting on a train to No. 5 Elementary Flying Training School at High River Alberta Canada

 

<SNIP>

 

A few of the Interludes inserted for effect.

 

Mid movie clips:

A sig to a father his son never met by Peter Clare:
In remembrance of my father Sgt S. Clare R.A.F Missing from operations 13th August 1942. Never Known, Forever Loved.

 

Music Credit: Garnet Rogers, Goodbye Again

 

From:

http://www.ww2f.com/...ad-experienced/

 

My (Fred Wilson’s) namesake (I was born on May 16th) (see my sig below) was somehow talked into allowing to be filmed commenting for the History Channel "Bomber Command" series.

 

But other than that one commitment, he too would not talk at all about his experiences.
His personal reason was that when he did the nightmares came back and for weeks afterwards he would lose so much sleep, that it was too painful to endure.

 

He did once mention his escape subsequent to their Dambusters Raid crash.

Dambusters.org

 

All he would say was that he had promised to take to the grave the names of the resistance people that got him safely home, believing in his heart that there were still fanatics that would take retribution against them.
To this day he has stayed true to his word.

 

From:

http://www.ww2f.com/...ad-experienced/

 

T.W (Joe) Merchant, of the 1944 Dambusters squadron lived across the lake from us and asked me to visit one of his Wing Commanders and carry his thanks to him on one of my holidays in OZ.
He had retired near Lismore / Bexhill, in NE NSW Australia. I spent a heartrending day with him in 1992, one of the most emotional and memorable of my life, while we toured his Macadamia Nut and Banana plantation.
 

He said that when he was promoted to Wing Commander, the only reason (he said) was that he was the oldest living pilot, at 23 years of age at the time, in the Squadron.     
 

He said he still received a steady stream of letters and phone calls from old crew members, and would politely reminisce but in fact could not remember a single name or face. In the war, all crewmen were referred to by the last three digits of their enlistment number only - never, ever by name. Neither would he ever look directly at the face of a squadron crew member.

 

He said this was an absolute pre-requisite for emotional survival - the losses were that high. Oh... that hurts. Hard to grasp how tough that job must have been.

One of my (Fred Wilson’s) father's friends had a "friendly fire" history and, I am told, was never ever able to live it down in his squadron (in particular, noting that the other crew and aircraft survived.) Their squadron commander stormed into the Squadron headquarters demanding an explanation. They were ribbed incessantly about it. Every time they would enter a roomful, a loud buzzing would erupt from everyone there.

They had mistaken a DeHavilland Mosquito Fighter – Bomber for something German.
Decades later, at Edmonton a reunion in the 70’s, the buzzing erupted in spades yet again when they made their entrance.


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RCAF Navigator: Lancasters and Wellingtons,
Bomber Command, WW2
http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html

Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.


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Posted 12 January 2015 - 07:41 PM

Lots and Lots of <SNIP> above and below.

 

If I am not for myself, then who will be for me?
And if I am only for myself, what am I?
And if not now, when?
Rabbi Hillel circa 30 BCE

 

Fade to Black

 

Fade to light - Closing Screen

 

Fade to light, bombers flying into the evening Fog.

Face to Black in evening fog, bombers still flying.

One then a second falling in flames.

A Thousand Shall Fall – words fall off screen

Written by Captain Murrey Peden xya squadron

 

Music: “Inside Me” by Fred T. L. Wilson, Screenplay Author.

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Book reviews.

"I consider it not only the best and most true to life 'war' book I've
ever read about this war, but the best about all the wars of my lifetime"
      -Marshal of the Royal Air Force, Sir Arthur Harris.

 

Closing Credits Video

 

Thank you froma grateful nation and world. (Words falling off the screen.)

 

Video: Wes Adams Live Your Life

 

 

Closing Credits - including a partial Wish List of Main Actors.

 -  http://www.tvguide.c...ason-3/hemlock/

Wing Commander: Brian George

Squadron Commander: Michael Kitchen
Squadron Adjucant:  
Jacinto Taras Riddick

Group Captain: Ben Livingston

Squadron Leader and Pilot: Julian Ovenden

Pilot, Murray Peden: Aidan Quinn 

Episode 6 and on Nurse: Honeysuckle Weeks

Pilot: Jonny Lee Miller

Pilot: Anthony Howell

Flight Engineer: Jon Michael Hill

Navigator: Raza Jaffrey

 

Willie Tait, DSO and three bars; Murray Peden DFC; Bill Reid VC: http://www.bombercom...urraypeden6.jpg
The last edition just had a couple of items / pages appended at the end - this after the latest official secrecy act release.

The memorable one was a statement released by Sir Arthur Harris regarding friendly fire bombing of Allied Troops after D-Day.
The ground troops had been specifically ordered NOT to throw smoke for any reason on that day. Unfortunately one group not only threw smoke but inadvertently threw the identical smoke colors selected by the Pathfinders that day, drawing the main force of the allied bombing directly on themselves.

NB: Most likely the incident attributed to Bradly / Patton's forces on July 24 / 25th during Operation Cobra.

Published History had attributed the incident to a combination of:
a) Allied Daylight Bomber Command's order to keep friendly troops at least 3,000 yards from the bomb line; Bradley compromised on a minimal distance of 1,200 yards; and the Allied Bombers were directed to fly parallel to the front line, but some flew perpendicular, thus the two front lines were separated by only 15 seconds on the bombing run.

The articles I have come across may attribute this incident to USAAF Bombers, so keeping the facts secret must have been meant to avoid further traumatizing the victims families. / Reopening old wounds.

Music Credits

Joohnny Cash, Stand By Me – train trip to funeral

Garnet Rogers, Goodbye Again - Never Known, Forever Loved.

Bert Janz. Smoke Gets in Your Eyes. Notification of Loss of  Tommy Penkuri

Garnet Rogers, Night Ride.

 

Locations:

No. 5 Elementary Flying Training School at High River Alberta Canada

Murray Peden completed his training flying Cessna Cranes at No. 10 SFTS at Dauphin, Ma,

and at No. 12 Operational Training Unit at Chipping Warden.

At No. 1657 Heavy conversion unit, he learned to fly the huge, four-engined Stirling and then, still only nineteen years old, he was ready for wartime operations.

Murray's wartime flying included bombing operations in the Stirling with No. 214 Squadron as well as flights with No. 161 Squadron dropping arms, equipment, and supplies to the French Resistance. Later he flew B-17 Fortresses with No. 214 Squadron.

 

http://aircrewbookre...rray-peden.html


Stepson of Arthur Ellison Sovereign:
RCAF Navigator: Lancasters and Wellingtons,
Bomber Command, WW2
http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html

Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.


#23 Fred Wilson

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Posted 12 January 2015 - 07:44 PM

Again:

 

1. I am looking for other veteran's quotes of this quality. RAF, RCAF, RAAF and RAFNZ only. K?

Post them here please.

 

 

2. I need recommendations for a collection of the best stress relief music of the period. The music the boys would lean on to get them through tough times.

(Not dance etc music.)

 

American Hits: http://en.wikipedia....es_of_the_1940s

http://tsort.info/music/yr1939.htm

 

British: http://www.tradition...-top-songs.html

 

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Your input would be gratefully appreciated in this worth cause..

 

I would not think about posting it elsewhere. Our veterans and knowledge based experts here are that good.

 

Vera Lynn: We’ll Meet Again

 


Stepson of Arthur Ellison Sovereign:
RCAF Navigator: Lancasters and Wellingtons,
Bomber Command, WW2
http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html

Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.


#24 Fred Wilson

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Posted 09 February 2015 - 03:52 PM

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I thought it might be fun for us to do this as a team project between those of us here and on http://ww2talk.com/.

We all hate and despise movies and TV Series that are not historically accurate. Right?

So why not pool our talent and energy into one that is done perfecto?

 

Are you in? Then read A Thousand Shall Fall, 90% is up in Google Books Preview. <== Link here.

- So you have no excuses. K?

 

Pick a chapter and write a segment for the movie or TV Episodes. Two TV Episodes on one chapter if necessary. K? Sounds like a fun project. Eh?

 

If more than one person here makes a go at the same chapter, well then, it becomes a competition between you all.  !!!!!  Enjoy!

 

 - The book is renowned for making you become intimately involved with a character to the point you fall in love with them, and the more you like the character, the harder they die. Tear your heart out stuff.

Emotional impact is key to this series. K? That is why so many interludes / intermissions are planed. We don't want to cause undue stress to the point that people have a heart attack in the theatre.

 

 - Secondly. This move will NOT be suitable for children. Keep that in mind, write it in that manner. Clean, crisp, use period piece foul language. Fuddle Duck OK. FU not etc etc. K?

See: http://absolutewrite...hp/t-44278.html

And: http://www.veteranst...k-staff-writer/

 

FYI:

Movie Script / TV Episodes starts here:  http://www.ww2f.com/...= i#entry601937

 

The stated objective is to aim to win an "Oskar" or  BAAFTA TV Award for EVERY SINGLE category.

 - Does that get your juices flowing?

 

Who of you is in here on this project? (Keep what chapter you plan to do a secret. K?) Enjoy! Have Fun guys and gals!

 

PS:

It goes without saying that the Movie or TV Series Producer and Script Writers will likely make changes. K?

 

I consider myself pretty much done now. I hand it over to you. K?

 

If we actually get paid for writing the Screen Plays, hows about we put the money into a foundation to keep these forums alive for perpetuity, excess goes to paid administrative time. K?

http://www.ww2f.com/

http://ww2talk.com/

http://www.rafcommands.com/

http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/

http://www.comandosupremo.com/

http://www.ww2.dk/wood.html

 

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Stepson of Arthur Ellison Sovereign:
RCAF Navigator: Lancasters and Wellingtons,
Bomber Command, WW2
http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html

Named after Fred Sutherland of the Dambusters.

 

"Apple Pie without cheese is like a kiss without a squeeze."

A little quip from the nicest person I have ever known: My Dad.





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