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#1 Sgt. Fyodor M Okhlopkov

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 04:15 AM

Hi, do you know how many men the US Army had on the Western Front and how many the British Army had? I can only find numbers of them all combined. thanks

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 05:44 AM

Hi, do you know how many men the US Army had on the Western Front and how many the British Army had? I can only find numbers of them all combined. thanks


When exactly do you mean?
In June 1944?
At the end of the war?
Grand total or at any one time?
Do you mean to include the entire Western Front or only on the continent? Only those in France? Italy as well?

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 06:09 AM

If it's the west front . I suppose it's 1944 and1945. Do you figures includes Free poles, Free French and other allied nations? What about the Commonwealth troops?

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 08:47 AM

on 31 july 1944 :US ground forces:in the UK :161,621
:on the continent :563,638
:+ 118286 GFRS
Source :AHF (post by Carronade,with as source Ruppenthal)

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 10:11 AM

on 31 july 1944 :US ground forces::on the continent :563,638


563,000 US troops on the continent? Including Italy?
I think the British/Canadian & US both had about 10 - 11 divisions in France by the end of Jul '44

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 10:52 AM

Normally,the western front does not include Italy .
About the divisions :from Six Armies in Normandy (J.Keegan)
Britain :
Guards date of arrival :28 june
7th armoured 8 june
11th armoured :13 june
79th :D Day
6 Airborne :DDay (but I presume meanwhile returned to the UK
15th :14 june
43 :24 june
49:DDay
50:DaDay
51:DDay
53 :27 june
59 :27 june
Canada
4th(Arm) :31 july
1stPolish :31 july
2nd:7 july
3th:DDay
US
Armoured:
2:2 july
3 :9 july
4 :28 july
5:2 august
6 :28 july
7:14 august
2nd French:1august
82airb:DDay(returned)
101 airb:DDay (returned)
1:DDay
2:8 june
4:DDay
5:16 july
8:8july
9:14 july
28:27 july
29:7 june
30:15 june
35:11 july
79:9 june
80:8 august
83:27 june
9O:10 june

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 01:39 PM

HyperWar: US Army in WWII: The Supreme Command (ETO) [Appendix E]

Strength and Casualty Figures
TABLE 7--ASSIGNED STRENGTH OF U.S. ARMY FORCES IN EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS,
JUNE 1944-JULY 1945a

1944

July 1,770,614
August 1,904,709
September 2,053,417
October 2,203,583
November 2,588,983
December 2,699,467

1945
January 2,829,039
February 2,934,924
March 3,029,579

April 3,065,505

May 3,021,483
June 2,811,820

a Excludes strength in Italy for July 1944 through June 1945 and in Southern France for August 1944 through November 1944 assigned to Mediterranean Theater of Operations.

Source: Location, AGO, Machine Records Branch, "Strength of Army, STM-30"; Type, Office, Chief of Staff USA, SARO report, "Strength of Army"; respective months.



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BRITISH AND CANADIAN STRENGTHS, NORTHWEST EUROPE, 1944-45
Total Strength, British Canadian

31 October 1944 895,912
8 November 1944 925,664
31 May 1945 1,095,744
16 June 1945 c1,072.717

Includes RAF and Royal Navy personnel. The totals under this column, broken down only in the 31 October 1944 report and the 16 June 1945 report, show for the former 82,902 RAF and 8,142 RN personnel; for the 1944 date they show 93,013 RAF and 20,856 RN personnel. The RAF figure of 93,013 is quite near the figure of 96,078 (plus 1,308 WAAF) for 1 May 1945 given in a statement furnished to OCMH by the Air Ministry, London.

Note. These statistics must be used with the warning that they cannont be the basis ofcomparison between the U.S. and British air efforts. U.S. air strengths listed in Table 7 inlcude the air forces both in the United Kingdom and on the Continent. The British forces in this table include only those on the Continent. Total British air force strength (including WAAF) amounted to 819,578 on 1 May 1945. Needless to say a considerable part of this force was used in the preinvasion period and during the campaigns in northwest Europe in support ofthe Allied campaigns.

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The above is a shortened version of the linked data.
Note the word of caution at the end. The RAF in the UK are not counted in the British figures but USAAF numbers in the UK are included in the US totals.
1 would think a final ratio of 2:1 would be about right.
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#8 Sgt. Fyodor M Okhlopkov

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 03:03 PM

Thanks for the informative replies! That's right, I meant in France/Luxembourg etc, and at what time? Just a general figure which is reprsentative of the whole campaign.




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