How Germany could've won?

Would it be possible for Germany to win if they had simply defeated Great Britain and THEN Attacked Russia? So that Germany's factories wouldn't be bombed as easily?

If the Nazi's didn't persecute (Holocaust) and kill so many of their civilians, could those extra soldiers have helped them?

Then Germany would only have to face Russia and the US... and without the ability to land troops easily, Germany could've easily simply held off America while taking Russia.

Opinions?

 

simple answer? Nope. There is not a single option which allowed Nazi Germany to succeed no matter which options you choose to give them. They couldn't defeat Great Britain because they couldn't mount an amphibious operation to do so.

With Britain at their back and freezing them out of trade with a blockade they couldn't effectively face the USSR. They lacked too many natural resources to self sustain their infrastructure, and with a British blockade they were out of the running for raw materials they lacked, which the Soviet Union had been providing them until the Nazis stabbed the Soviets in the back and attacked.

 

There are several scenario's where Nazi Germany might have survived to this day, with most of its empire intact, but without a means to cross the channel and take the British Isles, it would be next to impossible to force Britain out of the war without a great ally like the USSR or the USA.

 

Sooooo....you're saying....all Hitler had to do to win was to effectively utilize the "search" feature? That was always one of his biggest downfalls, the insistence on using AltaVista to search with, instead of moving to more powerful Yahoo or Google searches. He just couldn't embrace new technology and indexing features.

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :evillaugh:

 

'Course not. Bing has certain communistic leanings. Had Hitler, the founder of the Nazi party, tried to use Bing, his entire hard drive would have totally and completely crapped itself, and he would have lost his collection of vintage Hungarian porn. Yeah. Not a good thing. Happened to me once.

 

Do either of you have any idea how painful it is to aspirate Cheeto's and Miller Highlife through your nose? I almost fraking choked to death trying not to laugh out loud.

 

My mission here is complete.

 

Let's stay on topic or things will get locked.

 

Oh I think we could go on like this for several days before getting locked down totally. Most of "the cheese" has been here already you know. All we need is Jeff to come by and it'll be like a "Social Groups Anonymous" reunion here.

But just in case and keeping with the merits and wishes of the inner circle, I say there's no way Hitler could have googled himself out of any trickbag after letting the BEF escape at Dunkirk.

 

It seems that Hitler's best chance of conquering Europe may well have been to get Goebbels to form 'einen schwing band', and fill stadiums with screaming fans!:trumpetplayer:

 

Naw, Volga. The Hof!

 

If Hitler had finished one front at a time, instead of trying to operate three fronts at once, he might have stood a chance. Completely defeating the BEF and preventing Dunkirk would have helped tremendously in both the Battle of Britain and in North Africa. Eventually the British Air Force would have been worn down (send over more fighters and fewer bombers, perhaps?), allowing Sea Lion to go forward. It would have taken some time to "conquer" the British Isles, and maintaining law and order would have been quite difficult, but would have allowed the North Africa forces to roll up Egypt and the Suez and pretty much every square inch of sandy soil, since there would have been no more replacements/resupply coming from England. Once all of that is under control, turn your field marshals loose on Russia with the strict order to "win at whatever cost"...then step back and let them do it instead of trying to control everything from a bunker 1000 miles away. Russia, I think, would be the real challenge, simply due to its sheer size and the weather. Nothing against Britian...I can see the British as putting up the most determined resistance (I can't imagine all the freckly-faced Irish redhead lassies just sitting idly by....gotta love the mental image of a freckly-faced Irish redheaded lassie toting an Enfield and several pounds of explosives. Probably while wearing a beret and looking totally hot. But I digress.). So, if Hitler and Tojo manage to NOT piss off the US, and there's no Pearl Harbor for Roosevelt to use to get the US into the war, I don't see us coming in anytime before Hitler has most of Europe conquered. But Hitler would have to start trusting his generals and listening to his advisers regarding new technology and what to use it for (ie....the ME262). Heh. I just don't see that happening.

 

So you are saying with a better sound track Mr. Hilter would have achieved more success, or even victory, in WW2? Maybe that could explain what happened to Glenn Miller. I don't think it is outside the realm of possibilty that Fatso Goering could have tried to abduct Miller as either an attempt to impress the Little Corporal or to exploit Miller's talents for the Nazi agenda.

 

Did they use the Die Glocke to snach Glen Miller?

 

Nah. Hitler's UFO got him. Elvis, too.

 

The assumption here is that Germany could have defeated Great Britain. The fact is the invasion of Britain was scuppered by the defeat of the Luftwaffe at the hands of the RAF. No air supremacy no invasion. I have no doubt there are members here who could, with the full benefit of hindsight suggest ways in which the Luftwaffe could have defeated the RAF, but even if the RAF did lose one must then consider the toll on the Wehrmacht of an invasion and whether a subsequent invasion of the USSR would have then been likely.

 

There was never any hope of Germany successfully invading Britain. They had neither the naval power, amphibious doctrine, equipment nor the resources and expertise to develop them. An amphibious assault is the most complicated operation in warfare. That's why after WWI and the disasters at Tanga and Gallipoli most nations considered it impossible to launch a large scale amphibious operation against anything but a minor power, in the modern era. Japan and the United States Navy/Marine Corps did continue to develop amphibious doctrine, equipment and techniques during the inter war period. It was this expertise that allowed Japan to succeed early on and the Allies to mount their reconquest of Axis held territories. Once war was joined Britain, being a maritime nation, was able to leverage it's nautical experience and infrastructure to add a number of innovations. This amphibious doctrine, tactics, organization and equipment were as decisive in this aspect of warfare, as the German development of the vehicles, tactics, equipment and combined arms doctrine that enabled their early dominance in WWII land warfare.
It is imperative in an amphibious assault to build combat power ashore rapidly (troops, supplies and equipment) or the expedition will fail. Germany had neither the shipping, specialized craft nor logistical expertise achieve this. Britain didn't have to stop the Germans on the beach just delay them long enough for aircraft, surface naval units or submarines to get at the amphibious shipping. Whatever troops got ashore would quickly find themselves faced with destruction or surrender as their only options because they couldn't be reinforced or supplied, and with no line of retreat. It would be a Dunkirk in reverse for the Germans only they would be unable to evacuate their troops. Would Germany ever have the logistical capability (sealift) to continue pouring troops and supplies into Britain at a greater rate than the British could reinforce and supply it's forces on it's own home islands? No!
Germany never possessed the capability to pull off SeaLion, even if they had been able to concentrate all their military power in attempting it. Infantry and armored divisions sitting on the French coast mean nothing, if you can't get them across the channel and keep them supplied with fuel, food, munitions and medical supplies, they're irrelevant.