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#1 Biak

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:42 PM

I was wondering if there is a way to retrieve and restore and/or save websites that for one reason or another have gone by the wayside. One in particular was Jim Sterling's "web-birds". A search takes you to a mish-mash page of nothingness but I found on "Wayback" archive much of his old site. I have saved a few of the pictures from the site but it is a shame to lose so much great information he compiled.
Using this link: Web-Birds.Com you can access pictures of many Fighter and Bomber Groups but the main page is lost for all time I guess.
Mr. Sterling has not been able to be contacted for many years now and I fear the worst.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 06:04 PM

I wonder if his domain name hasn't been renewed/paid for maybe you can look around the site that is still available and find a contact? I know my website name is through godaddy and my website is built and paid for on powwebs.com if you can find out who has his domain and names, you may be able to pay to keep it up or to at least copy and archive some of the info? I'm no internet expert, but that is the only idea I came up with.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 06:46 PM

Thanks Krystal, the site has been offline for a few years now and doing a search - it appears several different websites forum members have also been trying to contact Jim. Something to do with "robots . text" ? has shut it down and most of the links are now dead ends. Shame really as there were some excellent pictures and links. I'll keep looking.

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Posted 20 November 2015 - 04:54 PM

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 03:41 AM

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I ran a search on the domain registration for Web-Birds. Here is the pertinent info.
Expires On: April 23, 2017
Updated On: November 07, 2015
Registered On: April 22, 1997

The registrar info is hidden, but the dates makes is appear the same registrar has owned the domain all along. This might be good news if it means the Jim Sterling still has access to the domain & site. Does anyone have an contact info for Mr. Sterling? If you do, please don't post it here, rather contact me via the email in my signature.

In the meantime I'm very much considering storing the webpages from the wayback machine.

Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated.


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 04:45 AM

Did a bit more research with no success. It has been years and with a common name not an unexpected result.

If anyone has any info on Mr Sterling, what state he lived in, where he might be today, know where he may have lived, please message me or email me via the email in my signsture below.

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#7 Ron Goldstein

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 06:39 AM

One of the lesser joys in life is wondering what will happen to all of the stuff one has posted on the internet.

In the past, I created various Blogs to cover my various interests and included one to duplicate my Army Album.

I was delighted to find that the Wayback Machine had scanned all of my blogs including my military ones as shown here;
https://web.archive....blogspot.co.uk/


ww2talk.com is constantly archived by the same organisation and I can't speak too highly of the ethos behind the site.

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Edited by Ron Goldstein, 21 November 2015 - 06:45 AM.

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 07:36 AM

Ron, I've already started an effort to store your info. If you recall I still have a lot of your posting from early in our WW2Network/WW2Forums life.

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 07:44 AM

On the web-birds front, I have good news, bad news, and then good news again.

The good. I spoke to Jim Sterling (aka swissy) yesterday, he is alive and well. Really nice and friendly guy, he was a pleasure to talk to. Since a few people had trouble getting a hold of him for a good while, they feared the worst, thankfully he is doing well.

The bad. According to Jim the web-birds hosting company suffered a catastrophic server crash and they lost all contents of the site. Recovery was not possible, and the site was lost.

And the good news again is that Jim was very supportive of my desire to recreate his site from the wayback machine/internet archive. A good amount of the data he created is still there, and with his permission I will try to recover & recreate as much as i am able to.
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Posted 22 November 2015 - 12:51 PM

This is a wholesome endeavour.
The wonderful AKIrk TANKS! site has fallen by the wayside. I saved a copy of that somewhere. Wonder if I still have it.
(Sample URL: http://mailer.fsu.ed...lianTanks.html)
Pending your peculiar ability to find data owners, that one is a real loss to armoured obscurism.


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#11 Ron Goldstein

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 02:10 PM

Otto

Why thank you kind Sir !

As I have mentioned in the past, I belong to the school of thought that says a person is not truly dead until his name ceases to be mentioned. Anyone who helps to preserve my humble efforts is No.1 in my book.

Best regards

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Posted 22 November 2015 - 04:02 PM

Great news that Jim is fine and doing well. His site had a LOT of interesting and useful information.


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 01:24 PM

I wonder if some of this could be coordinated with hyperwar?  The sites that have actual documents from the war or posts by vetrans would fit in with their remit I think.  Opana post here enough that it might be worth bringing up.  Coordinating with some of the other WWII sites could also be useful.  One  of the things that seams to help histrory forums from what I've seen is active participation by authors.  This can be of some considerable benefit to them as well although sometimes it requires a bit of a thick skin on thier part.  Encourageing them to post here as well as on the other forums might be of benefit to all.  Amazon has links either to emails or forums of a fair number of authors which might be a conduit for contacting them and attracting more people to the forums.



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Posted 23 November 2015 - 04:36 PM

I'm willing to work with anyone, especially someone as dedicated as opanapointer. Right now I'm just measuring what our capabilities are to maintain sites, which is something that is a large commitment since by definition, that commitment is a permanent one.

I'll let the cat out of the bag a little by letting you know we (WW2Forums & WW 2Talk) are currently working on a new organization/website to store such historical records and data called the WW2 Open Resource Group. It's all driven by the same desire for historical preservation that is driving us to rescue lost websites. Once we get things sorted here, I'll start releasing that platform. Exciting stuff if I do say so myself.
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Posted 25 November 2015 - 06:49 AM

I would like to see the archive of Afrikakorps.org

 

Does anyone else share an interest in this "dead" site?


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Posted 25 November 2015 - 07:33 AM

Otto:

Any chance to recover our own lost photo galleries?

There is many an old thread here that would come alive if the image urls worked after recovery.

 

I miss Ron Goldstein's in particular.


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Posted 25 November 2015 - 12:44 PM

I would like to see the archive of Afrikakorps.org

Does anyone else share an interest in this "dead" site?

Good call. That was a cracking site.

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Posted 25 November 2015 - 02:40 PM

All good suggestions. I'll need to structure this section a bit better to identify lost sites and track the progress of rescue.

The current effort with web-birds is going slow but steady. Unfortunately, we won't get the entire site, but 75% capture is realistic.

Our own galleries are still in the database, though totally unsorted. Within the next few months we are updating a few things with the forums, and the galleries will be re-opened.

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 08:26 AM

Is there interest in recovering Submarine websites here? Particularly RN related with pictures?

 

Albeit not a forum that could be imported:

British Submarines of World War Two at: http://home.cogeco.c...ft/sm/index.htm

 

Now archived at: https://web.archive..../sm/page29.html

 

 - Perhaps a better place would be on our sister forum... http://ww2talk.com/

 

No info at: https://www.whois.net/

 

Not much info brought up at: https://who.is

https://who.is/whois...ft/sm/index.htm

 

http://www.cogeco.ca/web/

Host Contact info: http://www.cogeco.ca...__utmk=11770167

______________

 

There are few good Submarine focused websites:

 

Examples:

http://uboat.net/all...ips/rn_subs.htm

http://www.naval-his...BritishSubs.htm

http://www.39-45war.com/britsubs2.html

 

Australia: https://www.navyhist...f-world-war-ii/


Edited by Fred Wilson, 27 November 2015 - 01:24 PM.

"Never EVER ever Volunteer to Volunteer." End Discussion. "Chilanko Bye."

 

Stepson of Arthur Ellison Sovereign: See: http://www.members.s...ereign/Art.html
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Posted 27 November 2015 - 01:10 PM

Otto, You can do it!

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 05:34 PM

Tony Wood & Jim Perry's Combat Claims & Casualties are one lost resource that are of HIGH interest to researchers.

It would be dynamite if we could find an easy way to make these accessible.

 

At Tony Wood's Luftwaffe Combat Claims: http://www.ww2.dk/wood.html

 

Allied Combats & Casualties

 

"O.K.L. Fighter Claims : Chef für Ausz. und Dizsiplin Luftwaffen-Personalamt L.P. (A) V Films & Supplementary Claims from Lists

:: West 1939-41, Issue 1

These new claims gives all save the MEDITERRANEAN & RUSSIA to the end of 1941. I say ALL because that is all we have at present. There is no new stuff of the ZGs, NJGs and the SGs so far."

These lists are my interpretations of "Allied Combats & Casualties" which were taken from the official RAF Fighter Command records held at PRO/Kew. 

The Lists or Tables give every Mission flown by Fighter Command, and later USAAF Fighter Command, from the end of the Battle of Britain [1.11.40] to the eve of the Invasion of Normandy [5.6.44] at present."

 

NOTE:

 - the url to his own website hosting the annual claims list is broken.

See: https://web.archive....ny/tonywood.htm

 

Thank heavens for the https://archive.org/index.php

(Results blocked by a fundraising drive pop up as of now)

 

I have all of his files but one word doc version (renamed into understandable link urls) saved at:

https://www.dropbox....ony_fred_shared

 

(Dropbox is under maintenance today.)


Edited by Fred Wilson, 05 December 2015 - 05:35 PM.

"Never EVER ever Volunteer to Volunteer." End Discussion. "Chilanko Bye."

 

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 04:13 PM

'Er now, what's all this then? 


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 07:32 PM

http://lostaircraft.com/

http://lostaircraft....ase.php?lang=en

 

LostBombers.com is for sale. Finance This Domain: $2295 or 12 monthly payments of $192.

 

NOT archived at: https://web.archive....staircraft.com/

± because it is a HIGH tech modern English + Dutch + German Language Database based website recording ALL Bomber, Fighter Command,

Coastal Command, Ferry Command, Naval Command, Transport Command, Tactical Airforce Command. Search and Rescue et cetera et cetera losses.

 

Airforce Losses already (for the most part fully) uploaded include USAAF, RAF, Luftwaffe, with work well under way  with many others including

SEAC, CBI, North African, Italian / Mediterranean, Finnish, FFA France , South African SAAF, New Zealand RNZAF, Australian RAAF.

 - Soon to include Greek, Romanian, Regia Aeronautica (Italian) Dutch, Soviet AND Japanese Aircraft Losses (given minor font adjustment implementation.)

 

Caveat being: We have to remove a few copyright infringements  -  so it would not go live on-line until the moderators get the dirty job done.

 

EDITED: (he who once was) Ghost GröFaZ. OK?

 

WW2Network Fundraiser and ww2f.com Social Party proposal   AnimatedToast+Beer.png(Film Festival or...) popped back on the hard disk. Maybe this will surface again in a year or two.


Edited by Fred Wilson, 27 February 2016 - 11:07 AM.

"Never EVER ever Volunteer to Volunteer." End Discussion. "Chilanko Bye."

 

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 09:49 PM

Fred. Nothing is established or been decided as yet. At this point no website other than web-birds is in the Safe Harbor queue. My primary focus right now is upgrading our server and moving this site from Invision Power to another platform. Right behind that is launching a new website at WW2.org. Nothing else is on my plate right now.

To date, I've never asked for a penny in donations or fundraising. We could certainly make good use of some income, but this decision to not accept donations was very deliberately made. When the time comes there will be an opportunity for members to donate, but it will only happen with full clarity and with a dedicated improvement plan in hand. Money will assuredly change the dynamic here, and I want to be sure that no one, ever, feels taken advantage of.

I'll be damned if any fundraising is done in my name without my 100% concent, and that issue is very much in doubt right now. If I'm going to decide on fundraising, I'll openly announce it. I won't do so by proxy.

And for God sakes my name isn't "Otto Bomb", it's Otto Torriero. I sometimes use that other name when I play online games, but Otto usually works just fine.


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Posted 25 February 2016 - 03:35 AM

Just so people are aware, my previous post was directly addressing a few items that were in Fred's now edited post. The edits are such that the original context is gone and I now probably seem like a loon. I assure you my response was proportionate to the original post.

 

All I'll say is some very good things are in the pipeline here. I'll announce the plans and roadmap shortly.


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