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#1 Gromit801

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:17 PM

Well, I'm seeing trailers for Red Tails, and I'm already apprehensive. As usual, they allow the CGI artists to stupidly do what they want, and have aircraft doing things they couldn't really do, in formations they never really flew. I think they hired the same CGI bunch that worked on Pearl Harbor.
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Posted 09 January 2012 - 08:42 PM

Quit complaining...

Hey, it could be worse, they could have used the studio that worked on Otoko-tachi no Yamato.

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Posted 09 January 2012 - 09:10 PM

Red Tai-fighters?

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 02:03 AM

LOL I'll see it....I may not like it, but I'll see it. I already am shuddering at the scene with the P-51's hanging with the ME262's. Wasn't there something like 100+mph disparity in top speeds between the two? That'd be like a B17 keeping up with a P-51 piloted by an overcaffeinated squirrel.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:00 AM

The Red Tails scored three of the eight Me-262 kills, so they were doing something right. But we'll find out how god a movie it is on January 20th.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:01 AM

the 332nd did shoot down a couple 262's - March 24, 1945 I believe but they also lost to the LW jets as well. Hopeful the guys will make it look somewhat real with all the hio-tech at their disposal
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:38 AM

I'm still interested, and I'll be on vacation that week, so I'll check it out on Friday.
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 03:58 AM

Yeah, I know they scored a couple of -262's, I just seem to recall a segment where the P-51 is chasing the ME-262 and staying on his tail pretty well. Not a deflection or head-on shot, as one would expect.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:18 AM

The commercial I saw I thought it was for a football game - The pep talk during the half time break. Sounds too 'cliche laden' to me. A P-51 doing a back flip - while shooting? :rolleyes: Maybe a good Saturday afternoon matinee movie for the kids.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:25 AM

Rabid to put things in historical context the 332nd was given credit for 3 Me 262's the date I mentioned, if guys are interested do a little research on the engagement flown
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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:07 PM

Not arguing that, Erich. Just the movie portrayal of the Mustang being the same speed as the 262.

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 04:04 PM

arg just took a view of the trailer, someone please tell me they are not going to protray the 109's and 262's in those bogus colorations. 109's - all yellow noses with a bomber insignia Totenkopf on the nose. C'mon ............... and yes Rabid noted the Stang on the tail of the 262 going through the bomber formation that is just plain wrong as this was stictly a huge no-no for obvious reasons. too much A/C clutter from both sides in to minimal an area of sky.

it appears this will be another movie non historical to provide the audience with entertainment only
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 02:39 AM

Wait for the 262 to approach landing. It's speed/altitude is low and can't accelerate . Isn't that how 262's were shot down?

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:11 AM

Typically, unless some waist/tail gunner got extremely lucky, the 'Stangs would just loiter around above the 262's airfield and catch them on return. The 262 had a very low air-time due to massive fuel consumption rate of their jet engines, so couldn't stay in the fight very long. So some fighters would stick around the Fortresses, while others would go wolfpack and wait for the sheep to come home.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:18 AM

LOL I'll see it....I may not like it, but I'll see it. I already am shuddering at the scene with the P-51's hanging with the ME262's. Wasn't there something like 100+mph disparity in top speeds between the two? That'd be like a B17 keeping up with a P-51 piloted by an overcaffeinated squirrel.


Be like a B-17 keeping up with a Lancaster!...on two engines....no one.
Yeah bit more than 100 difference...but the Me262 wasnt wound up all the time...burns fuel you know! And put her in a dive and you've got 500mph easy for a P-51...oops, how do you slow these things down! The sticks not...moving...
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:19 AM

I watched the interview with George Lucas on The Daily Show last night and even he didn't seem to take his own movie seriously. Admitted it was more of a feel-good movie for teenagers and jokingly said the next episodes would be better. ???

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:39 AM

because of the situation of Allied escorts ~ Mustangs they would fly roughly a 1000' above the bombers so could easily spot the jet contrails and watch as the jets just like prop driven fighters fly through the bomber stream. The Lw pilots could only zoom up or head off to the right or let or head for the deck, and due to superiority in allied numbers it could alamost be rest assured that some Mustangs were going to latch on to the jets and try and follow them in a tight turn which the jet was not able to perform, cutting the jet short and hitting it with .50's. Really only later in the war when the jet bases associated with the defense of Berlin could be tackled and true some jets were cauaght on the landing approach.
In November 1944 Kommando Nowotny the predessesor of the famous JG7 had bases quite forward to the west and north so P-47 and Mustang units could engage them along with JG 54's puny efforts tot keep escorts at bay with their Fw 190D-9's.

it was hoped in the air to air combats that US/British fighters could hit and destroy one engine and thus perform the coup de grace on the 262 or Ar 234 as it slowed down and became non-manueverable.
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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:41 AM

The historical accuracy of the film certainly doesn't seem hopeful to me, but judging from the crap coming from Hollywood recently, I'm hopeful it will be at least entertaining.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:48 AM

Well, I'm seeing trailers for Red Tails, and I'm already apprehensive. As usual, they allow the CGI artists to stupidly do what they want, and have aircraft doing things they couldn't really do, in formations they never really flew. I think they hired the same CGI bunch that worked on Pearl Harbor.


Mustangs vs. ME 262's? I guess I have got to go! I saw George Lucas on the Jon Stewart show and he was saying that he kept some Muskogee Airmen as advisors throughout the movie-so I am hopefull.
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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:07 AM

Be like a B-17 keeping up with a Lancaster!...on two engines....no one.
Yeah bit more than 100 difference...but the Me262 wasnt wound up all the time...burns fuel you know! And put her in a dive and you've got 500mph easy for a P-51...oops, how do you slow these things down! The sticks not...moving...


Aw, heck...slowing down's the easy part! Walking away after the sudden stop is where it gets difficult.


Mustangs vs. ME 262's? I guess I have got to go! I saw George Lucas on the Jon Stewart show and he was saying that he kept some Muskogee Airmen as advisors throughout the movie-so I am hopefull.
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Yeaaaaaaaaaaah....and Tony Scott had Naval personnel as "advisors" when he hacked out "Crimson Tried". I mean "Crimson Tide". I was on subs when that came out, and it was easy to tell who was a Navy guy in the theater...we laughed through the whole movie. A civilian friend later asked me what was wrong with the movie, I told her we'd have to rent it so I could pause it and explain what was wrong with each scene. It took us about 4 and a half hours to get to the end of the movie. Not due to long explanations (or canoodling...unfortunately), but due to the QUANTITY of pause-n-explains.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 03:38 AM

Was going to ask you the same thing...but can understand that its a case of where do you start...But what was the MOST glaringly stupid thing in it Rabid?
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:13 AM

There are 3 certainties in life: Death, taxes and Hollywood not giving a crap about historical accuracy. Their agenda is never about getting the story right. It's about telling the story they want to tell. A distant second is actually making money on a movie. :rolleyes:

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:02 PM

There are 3 certainties in life: Death, taxes and Hollywood not giving a crap about historical accuracy. Their agenda is never about getting the story right. It's about telling the story they want to tell. A distant second is actually making money on a movie. :rolleyes:

I'm not so sure about that. Indeed to a large extent I would argue that Hollywood's agenda is very much about "getting the story right" it's just that there definition of right means that it makes money and in some cases (but not by any means all) gets the "correct message" across. The main flops are I think because they misjudge the public in this regard but that tends to be self correcting. Too many flops and you don't get the money to make additional movies.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 06:34 PM

Mustangs vs. ME 262's? I guess I have got to go! I saw George Lucas on the Jon Stewart show and he was saying that he kept some Muskogee Airmen as advisors throughout the movie-so I am hopefull.
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Posted 13 January 2012 - 06:50 PM

more historical perspective, the 15th AF 31st and 33nd fg's claimed 8 Me 262's shot down of which 3 were in truth were downed, two jets from 11./JG 7 one from ace Alfred Ambs who had a shattered knee bailing out into trees at 6,000ft. and another jet from 9./JG 7. some 5-8 B-17's were shot down by the 262's of JG 7.
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