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#1 brakemaker

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:21 PM

My great-uncle was in the 191st, and was KIA in Italy on Jan. 2, 1944. Any info about his service, or the battle in which he died would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:39 PM

What was his name?

I have two men on my list who died 2 January 1944:

T/5 Joseph R. Bailey

CPL Tyes Boven

Unfortunately, I don't have Company info. for either.


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Posted 12 January 2012 - 11:49 PM

The January AAR states that the Bn "moved into the Naples
staging area on January 10, 1944...An all too brief period of
training had been completed near Piedimonte D'Alife on January 6."

He may have been killed in a training accident.

Have you considered requesting his IDPF?

See this thread:

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Edited by kerrd5, 13 January 2012 - 12:02 AM.


#4 brakemaker

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:30 AM

Dave, Sorry, I forgot to say that it was Tyes Boven. We ( the family) were told that he died when his tank swerved to miss a child in the road. he is buried in Nettuno, Italy. and his service # is 16065590. My email is stanley.boven@trw.com. thank you.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:31 AM

I don't know what an IDPF is.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:32 AM

I understand that alot of records were lost in a fire in St. Louis. Don't know if they would have the circumstances of his death.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 12:35 AM

I followed your link, and will send a request and see what happens.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:19 AM

Try this thread on the same topic as well: http://www.ww2f.com/...charlie-co.html

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 02:49 AM

Try this thread on the same topic as well: http://www.ww2f.com/...charlie-co.html

Thank you very much. I'm a Navy Vet, USS Iowa, from the late 80's, and am very proud of my families military tradition. Both of my Grandfathers were in WW2, along with 5 great-uncles. We lost the one above, and have started to try to find out what I can about his death.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 10:40 PM

Stanley,

I will send you all of the 191st AARs through January 1944.

They will be quite interesting I think.

By the way, your great-uncle is not listed on the Bn KIA list,
suggesting that the story of the accident may be true.

The IDPF may identify the cause of death and the circumstances.


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Posted 14 January 2012 - 12:01 AM

Dave, I sent away today for the IDPF, and will update you whenever it does get here. Is T/5 and officer rank? Maybe the other man who died that day was with Uncle Tyes. I hope his records shed some light on this. Again, thanks for all your help.

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:45 AM

T-5 was not an officer. It was equivalent to a corporal. See this site for WW2 ranks. .Second World War Era.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 02:48 AM

This is my great uncle Tyes with his tank at some point during the war.Attached File  Tyes Boven in front of his tank.jpg   200.28KB   18 downloads
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Posted 21 January 2012 - 01:03 AM

I found the casualty listing for Saint Clair County, Michigan here. Your great uncle is listed in the far right column and 14th from the top. It shows him as DNB (Died Non-Combat). I know this doesn't really answer your questions, but it does confirm it was a non-combat related incident. Hopefully, the IDPF will shed a bit more light on the circumstances. I requested one recently and it took 4 months. FYI.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 05:56 AM

I found the casualty listing for Saint Clair County, Michigan here. Your great uncle is listed in the far right column and 14th from the top. It shows him as DNB (Died Non-Combat). I know this doesn't really answer your questions, but it does confirm it was a non-combat related incident. Hopefully, the IDPF will shed a bit more light on the circumstances. I requested one recently and it took 4 months. FYI.


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Thanks for the listing. I will post what I recieve whenever it comes.

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 02:39 AM

You're very welcome, Brakemaker. I look forward to the update. I can tell you from personal experience that IDPF's may provide the answers you seek, but they can also generate more questions or tell you something completely unexpected.

Freedom is precious and many gave their lives for it. It is the duty of the future generation
to remember that sacrifice, and offer some sacrifice for themselves if Freedom is threatened.

Cecil Earl Workman, WWII Veteran, "L" Co., 129th Inf. Regt., 37th Inf. Div.


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:01 AM

Gentlemen, a little update about my research. With your help, I have recieved the S-3 journal page that covers my great-uncles death. Going to try to post it without messing it up. ( Probably have more luck if I get one of my boys to help!) I have also sent away for his personnal file, which they have told me that it will take a min. 20 weeks. Our beloved gov. at work.
Also attached is the letter the family recieved from the Army about his final internment, the information I found describing where his grave is in Italy, and another picture.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:39 AM

Thanks for the update, Jamie.

I have included that info on my 191st Casualty list.

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By the way, you received the S-3 Journal from College Park in amazingly short time.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:12 AM

Thanks for sharing your great uncle's story, Jamie. I have to agree with Dave. That has to be some sort of record.

Freedom is precious and many gave their lives for it. It is the duty of the future generation
to remember that sacrifice, and offer some sacrifice for themselves if Freedom is threatened.

Cecil Earl Workman, WWII Veteran, "L" Co., 129th Inf. Regt., 37th Inf. Div.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:32 AM

Thanks for the update. I'm amazed you got the information so quickly.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:06 AM

Your welcome fellas, I, too, was amazed when it came so quick. I hope his personnal file comes quicker than they said too. I'll share some info from that too. I'm gonna post some of my Navy pictures from my battleship days soon. Hope you can check them out.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 02:16 PM

Good stuff, I love these family stories (and pictures too!!!).

Could you summarize his service? I see he was a volunteer, do you know when he entered the Army?

Probably went to Fort Custer, MI as a Reception Center, then on to Camp Knox?

BTW, anyone, is College Park a better option then NARA for unit documents?

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 05:33 PM

College Park, MD is the main branch of NARA.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 02:02 AM

I don't have any info on his enlistment, but will have more when his personal file arives. My granny couldn't remember where he entered the army at.

Good stuff, I love these family stories (and pictures too!!!).

Could you summarize his service? I see he was a volunteer, do you know when he entered the Army?

Probably went to Fort Custer, MI as a Reception Center, then on to Camp Knox?

BTW, anyone, is College Park a better option then NARA for unit documents?



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Posted 13 February 2012 - 07:01 AM

Thanks for sharing and the name is really nice with a ruff and tough style.




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