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Hasso Von Manteuffel hand to hand?


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#1 ptimms

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:49 PM

Whilst trolling around the net I found this. I got it off wiki but it's on a few others. I'm not saying it didn't happen but does anyone else have details of Manteuffel (pushing 50 at the time) bringing down Soviet troops hand to hand.



"But von Manteuffel was faced with an overwhelming attack launched by General Konstantin Rokossovsky's 2nd Belorussian Front during the Battle of Berlin. At one point in the battle, Soviet troops entered his headquarters, and killed four of his staff, wounding an equal number. Before they could kill the others, Manteuffel himself shot one, and brought down the other with his trench knife."


People of every colour marching side by side
Marching cross these fields where a million fascists died
You're bound to lose, you fascists are bound to lose


#2 mac_bolan00

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:47 AM

i don't remember that instance in "the last battle" by cornelius ryan. he interviewed HVM personally.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:04 AM

I just checked "The Last Battle". In the dozen or so pages that have references to Von Manteuffel, there is no mention of this hand to hand battle.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that a general officer who hadn't seen combat personally in 25 years could take down battle hardened Soviet troops.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:11 AM

i do remember ryan describing him as a diminutive officer who looks more like a thoughtful priest than a veteran tank commander.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:13 AM

The addition of the Knife reference on Wiki appears to have been first done in April 2009.
Sadly, it's one of those IP editors with no talk page to view.
(cur | prev) 17:58, 7 April 200965.24.27.202 (talk)‎ . . (14,207 bytes) (+239)‎ . . (‎World War II) (undo)
So I'm afraid somewhat unhelpful.

A quick Google by date-range does show that there seems to be almost no other web-reference to this knife fight before that edit (other than on live content sites which are based on Wiki, and so don't confirm to Google date-searches in a useful way anyway). Mentions on other sites post-edit would almost all appear to have come from Wiki.

I vote cavalier Wiki editing, but that doesn't mean there might not be a grain somewhere.

Hmmm. One trace has the following (my bold) added to the Trench Knife reference:

Manteuffel himself was wounded when a group of Soviets burst into the command center. Four of his staff were killed and another four wounded before the six intruders were shot down. Manteuffel, who was a former World War I cavalry officer, shot one of his attackers and cut the other down with a trench knife. His own injury–a bullet wound in his upper arm–proved to be serious but not life threatening. A medic treated his injury, and the general, who had not slept in five days, slipped into a deep sleep and was carried to safety without his knowledge by his adjutant, who had himself been wounded twice during the last five days.

Battle of the Seelow Heights

I'm not sure if that's a live or static page - it's web-published date is 2006, based on a 1999 magazine article.
Might be possible to contact the author, as he's named.

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#6 36thID

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 03:33 AM

George Patton I just finished the book "The Last Battle" it was amazing.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 06:41 AM

Every thing is possible in wartime,but, I suspect that the author of this story has read to much P.Carrel,S.Hassell,K.May,StLaurent,a.o.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:08 PM

George Patton I just finished the book "The Last Battle" it was amazing.


You have to read Ryan's other two books (The Longest Day and A Bridge Too Far). I have come across few WW2 books that match their quality. The entire Ryan "trilogy" is excellent -- its too bad he passed away before he could write more.

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