The Kriegsmarine in WW2.
Posted 03 November 2001 - 06:13 AM
Posted 03 November 2001 - 09:33 AM
So no carriers. The Norwegian navy mostly escaped, the Danes didnt have much, and what the French had left they were either allowed to keep(Vichy), or the British destroyed. The Graf Zeppelin never saw combat and was accidently sunk by the Russians in 1946.
1) Germany had no indigenous oil reserves. This meant that they had to make most of their petroleum products by converting coal to petroleum. There are two types of crude oil, heavy and light. Heavy crude is used to make diesel and fuel oil, light crude for gasoline. Most of the oil that Germany could make was light oil, which meant that heavy fuel oil to power ships boilers was in short supply. Diesel was desperately needed for better things. Hence, the Italian navy destroyed at anchor.
2) The Germans made a conscious decision in 1936 not to build a large surface fleet. A four year production plan was instituted in 1936 to make Germany ready for war by 1940. Hitler was advised that Germany did not have production output and raw materials to build all the aircraft, tanks, and ships Hitler wanted, Goring was Hitlers top advisor on this and between them they chose to neglect the Kreigsmarine in favor the Luftwaffe and Wehrmacht. Germany could have finished two carriers, several battleships and many smaller fighting vessels, but at the direct cost of Panzer divisions and fighter wings.
3) The lack of ships and fuel meant that Germany’s enemy’s always had her far outnumbered on the seas. Germany couldn’t keep ships from being quickly sunk, let alone threaten to dominate the Atlantic. So they gave it up. Remember that the U-boats only managed to sink 1% of the Allies Atlantic cargo, and the majority of U-boats were destroyed without ever getting a kill. So Germany relegated the naval conflict to low priority early in the war. Off of Norway and in the Baltic is the only place you will find German surface ships doing any real harm to the Allies. The Bismarck, Graf Spee and the rest were quickly sent to Davy Jones locker after causing minimal harm.
4) Would a few more boats really done any good?
5) Its late, I may have missed something, and the grammer is probably bad, please forgive J
Posted 03 November 2001 - 09:30 PM
Posted 04 November 2001 - 01:01 AM
Posted 04 November 2001 - 07:41 AM
Posted 04 November 2001 - 08:39 AM
If you want proof?
Scharnhorst and Gneisenau laid down and completed.
Bismarck and Tirpitz laid down and completed.
Graf Zeppelin and Peter Strasser laid down.
Two H-class battleships laid down, four more ordered.
Contracts for 3 P-class battlecruisers given.
Three of six M-class cruisers laid down.
So it's all just rubbish is it? I don't really think so!
The Z-Plan (started out as the X-Plan, became the Y-Plan after modifications, and then the Z-Plan) was to build a large and powerful mixed (but with a large surface component) fleet:
4 aircraft carriers
8 heavy cruisers
13 light cruisers
90 torpedo boats
302 small fighting vessels
That's according to Conway's anyway. The majority of those ships were building or completed in 1939.
As for foreign yards, and ships in various stages of completion: of course the Germans used this potential.
A Greek, a Dutch and French destroyer were completed by the Germans, as well as a host of torpedo boats and submarines. The few cruiser hulls that were captured were (in one case in Holland) either completed to clear the slipway, or it was considered to rebuild them as an aircraft carrier in one case in France, but as soon as the war began, the focus of the KM drifted away from Hitler's large surface fleet towards a large submarine fleet.
The foreign yards were used to make a large number of amphibious vessels (the so called Artilleriefähren), M-boats, R-boats, KFK. and KUJs.
[ 04 November 2001: Message edited by: Andreas Seidel ]
Posted 04 November 2001 - 08:02 PM
Z PLAN Actually Completed
4 aircraft carriers 1
8 battelships 2
5 battlecruisers 4
8 heavy cruisers 4
13 light cruisers 6
68 destroyers 24
90 torpedo boats 37
302 small fighting vessels
The Germans laid down many boats in the 30's. Most were constructed at a very slow pace, and only completed after the war started, many were never completed.
[ 04 November 2001: Message edited by: talleyrand ]
Posted 05 November 2001 - 01:28 AM
Posted 05 November 2001 - 06:09 AM
No large battlewagon is easily recoverable, even with todays tools, more so then. Under fire its impossible, so those ships nearest to England were out of reach due to the RAF. The French vessells not near England were in the Med, still owned by the Vichy French. These were not in Germany's hands until they had already lost the war.
Italy's planned carriers were a joke.
Posted 06 November 2001 - 06:56 PM
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