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Remembering past education on WW2 concentration camps.

Discussion in 'Concentration, Death Camps and Crimes Against Huma' started by ShariAlyn, Sep 22, 2014.

  1. ShariAlyn

    ShariAlyn New Member

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    Hello everyone!

    I definitely wouldn't consider myself a well-educated in things WW2, as I know just about as much as every American knows. (That only goes as far as cruelty, sadness, and down right inhuman treatment). As I was watching a documentary on the notourious Dr. Josef Mengele, I was explaining past experiences with my spouse about a college course I had taken centered around the second world war. Of course, the brunt of it was about the cruelty of concentration camps and the pain that they caused. I had learned about this before, as it is a common subject in American secondary education in this day and age, so I definitely wasn't ignorant. I had also visited national museums and other exibits that depicted the situation of that time. However, as I told my husband, I had NEVER experienced the blatant cruelty of the many death camps as I did when I was in college.
    My professor at the time, I suppose, had a certain interest in WW2. I'm assuming that it was the specialty of his Doctorate in History. As you can imagine, this is all I studied in this course. Of course, we started out with genral war tactics and country vs. country education. We also went into this well aware of who was called into power for each nation involved in this war (not just Germany, of course).
    I recalled a certain lesson to my husband that has yet to leave me from this course. As I said my professor at the time was very well educated in this realm of WW2, and I'm sure he had colleges that were of even higher recognition in this same subject. (I say that to say that I believe they were in the position to get their hands onto anything. And I mean ANYTHING). This certain day that I presumed to be a normal class day turned into something I had never expected. My professor had a reel-to-reel video projector assembled in the middle of the room. By the looks of the film it seemed highly aged and rather important. (Funny how the older it is the more important it seems).
    In any case, He started to discuss the grusome situation of the Jews and many other factions of people that were tourtured in these camps. He proceeded with a warning, telling all of the student body that we were about to view a rather graphic film, and that if we felt the need to exit the class, we were permitted to do so. At the sound of the warning, I assumed the film would just be an old documentary showing the aftermath and cruelty of the camps. Let me tell you, it wasn't.
    I can only assume that these were original films. When I expected to see the usual dead bodies lying around with starving bodies that resembled living skeletons (not that those AREN'T sad and gruesome enough) I was extremely surprised and disgusted. Several of my classmates couldn't even make it through the first scene of the film.
    This is actual footage of executions at the camps and no sensorship was found. In some scenes we found people, who were ALIVE, being crushed by equipment such as dozers and tractors. There were live shootings. When the footage started to show a child, I quickly left the classroom, but my classmates who didn't said that none of the scenes ended pretty.

    I AM NOT IN SEARCH OF THIS FILM.
    I am only curious if anyone else and experienced this same footage at all. Who produced this? Who enabled this footage to reach so many people, and especially at this time. When I was in this class it was 2011. You wouldn't think that it would have been able to reach that far. I'm still in shock and whenever I think about this film and its contents I shudder. It definitely gave me a new perspective, and respect, to what happened to the poor souls of that time. Any information would be appreciated.


    Disturbed Classmate,

    ShariAlyn
     
  2. sapper

    sapper British Normandy Veteran, Royal Engineers

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    Lest We Forget.

    This is an exact copy of an original report by the Medical Services attending at Bergen-Belsen concentration camp. Given me by my old, and very dear friend, Alan Westerman. Alan, who now suffers from Alzheimer’s disease and sadly, recognizes none of his friends, nothing has been added or taken away. The original document was printed on thin war time paper and is very old and worn. This is the original report
    Belsen Concentration Camp
    Visited 22 Apr 45, 6 days after its capture by Second Army.
    I was accompanied on my tour of inspection by RAMC officers who were engaged on relief work in the camp, and this constituted my authority for the few statements in this report which I cannot claim were the results of my own observations.

    The camp contained 60,000 political prisoners, and this population consisted of men, women and children. They were of various nationalities; Russian, Polish, Dutch, French and to a small extent, German. Jews were in the majority, all were accommodated in huts.

    It is obvious that the Germans did not intend that any of the prisoners should leave the camp alive, and the method of destruction which was chosen was death by very slow torture, i.e. By starvation. The rations given to the prisoners consisted of one cup of Swede soup a day, and one loaf of black bread for every twelve persons, per week. In addition to this, the Germans ensured that by the deliberate withholding of adequate sanitation, diseases such as dysentery, typhoid, typhus and tuberculosis, should become seriously prevalent, and in this latter object they were highly successful.
    When they realised some weeks ago that the camp would be captured, the Germans ordered that no further burials would take place, and so there were found in the camp, lying singly, or in large or small heaps, no fewer than 18,000 corpses which had accumulated at the rate of 500 per day.

    The first thing which I saw was the washing of women patients who had been brought to the camp by ambulance car to the German barracks adjoining the camp. It was a pitiful sight. The washing was done by German nurses who had been brought from elsewhere. The prisoners bodies were completely without fat, and muscle was negligible. Bones were on the point of breaking the skin, which in all cases was affected with bed sores, excoriations and disease. These women were completely helpless and screamed with pain as the nurses moved them.

    It was almost impossible to assess the age of these women. Their hair had been cropped or cut very short, and they seemed little else but skeletons, clothed in skin. Their shrunken bodies, their shorn heads and the evidence of past and present suffering, made them all appear to be old. Their screams seemed to exhaust them. The contrast between them and the sleek and healthy German nurses who attended them, will not be easily forgotten. So light were these women that two were easily carried on one stretcher and there was still plenty of room. I visited the ward where the women were taken after being washed. The English Nursing Sister in charge spoke of the severe shock, which took 12 hours to show signs of abatement, in those patients who were expected to live. Here they were at least clean, and if they were to die, they would not die in filth.

    An adequate description of the camp is difficult. It covers many acres and strewn through out the camp were naked, or semi-naked corpses. Sometimes singly, sometimes in heaps of a dozen, or forty or fifty. These mounds of bodies appeared to occasion no concern on the part of the prisoners; the sight had become to familiar. All these people had died by starvation, by preventable disease or both.

    There was a huge pit lOOyds long and 4Oyds wide, almost full of corpses, still unburied. I cannot give the depth of this pit, but there appeared to be about 100 corpses therein. It is not known how many hundred lay underneath those I saw.

    Latrines, if they existed at all, were primitive, and prisoners of both sexes were seen defecating anywhere and everywhere. I visited a hut full of women. They were lying in bunks, two or three lying in one bunk intended for one person. Some could smile and talk, others lay there moaning or silent. Two or three were defaecating into tins in the hut. Most of the women were too weak to leave their bunks, with the obvious results. The stench in the room was ghastly. None of the prisoners had had the opportunity or the strength to wash for weeks. Almost all showed the flush and bright eyes of fever.

    Another hut contained some women who were even more ill and with them were the dead and dying. All were accommodated on mattresses, one inch thick. Those who were conscious moaned with pain or weakness. One of them held her hand for my attention. A finger was swollen to nearly its double size with a whitlow, and she begged me to help her. Her agony must have been intense and her condition was such that the simplest surgery could have prevented it. This woman had on her right side a corpse and on her left, one who was unconscious and on the point of dying. When I left this hut I asked to see the Hospital which the Germans provided for their sick women prisoners. I was told that this last hut was the hospital. It had less right to the title of hospital than anything I have ever seen.

    In contrast to the prisoners who had been in the camp for months, or even years, there were those who had been fairly recently admitted. They were thin but they could walk and it was appalling to consider that the latter would inevitably would have become as the former, had the camp not been captured.

    I was told that I had not seen the camp at its worst and that already there was an improvement. Although very many cases, including those suffering from Typhus, had been, and were being rescued from the camp by RAMC personnel, it was quite certain that many so rescued were beyond hope of recovery. I do not know the total deaths in the camp, but I do know that there are still hundreds of men and women yet to die. Solely as a result of their being prisoners in BELSEN.
    23. April, 45. Army Medical Services
    Lest we forget…
    Brian Guy
     
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  3. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WWII Veteran

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    Brian

    Thank you for reminding us, however painful it may be.

    Lest we forget, indeed.

    Ron
     
  4. sapper

    sapper British Normandy Veteran, Royal Engineers

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    HI Ron. Keep well mate.
    BRian
     
  5. Christopher47

    Christopher47 Same Song, Fourth Verse

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    An account like this one just leaves me gobsmacked.

    I wonder if the German nurses called in for care left Belsen and went home to spread the word about what was being in the name of the German people.

    Probably not. Some camps, I believe, were thrown open for civilians, who were lead through on informal 'tours' to demonstrate to them what had been going on. Wonder how many of those people did that voluntarily. Not many I would imagine. And good for them it would have been too.

    Would have cured them of an loyalty they had to their awful government and leaders pretty quicksmart.

    Thanks Mr. Sapper. Sobering post.
     
  6. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Read Hitler's Furies by Lower for a consideration of how women were recruited and instrumental in the running of the camps. There seems to be no question of their loyalty.
     

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