Wanted - Roster of 66th Armored Regiment, 2nd Armored Div.

Anyone have a roster of this regiment? I did find someone who had a roster of the 67th, and my Dad was not in it. He was PFC Kenneth G. Magoon. I know he was 2nd Armored, and that he landed in Normandy on June 12, 1944.

 

Could you post your father's separation document?

 

I am looking for both the 67th and 66th AR rosters. My father Charles Moore was also in either one of these and served in both Africa and Italy then presumably landed in Normandy as well. He enlisted Dec 1941 and then was sent to Arizona for desert tank training then to Africa. He was discharged July 1945.

See my post on the Welcome page (link below)

http://www.ww2f.com/topic/55363-getting-info/#entry612528

 

Can you send me the roster or link to it for the 67th.

 

dkm, I checked both the officers and the enlisted men but a Charles Moore wasn't listed in the 67th roster. As close as it got was Carl J. Moore.
I was really hoping to find him since I have a lot of information on the 67 th that I could help you with.
I have never ran across a roster for the 66th- I would also like to find one.
Do you have his separation paper, and if so, could you post it? I sound like a broken record on this but there is a lot of subtle information that can be missed that can determine what unit he was in.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Dave

 

Buten42, no I don't have his separation papers. When my Dad died we tried to get them and again a few years ago I tried to get any information but that was a no joy. If I recall NARA said I should request payroll records but I never followed through with that. Would his payroll records have any information about his units?

 

I notice that he was given a VA memorial. Normally the cemetery needs proof of military service and they use a separation document to determine honorable service which they use to work with the VA. Perhaps they have a copy.
Also, servicemen were told to file their separation papers with the county auditor in case the original was destroyed. You might check whether he did this and get a copy. I have always had good luck getting things from the VA. If he went to them for any follow-up treatment after he was discharged they would have a copy of his records and they would not have burned in the fire.

I've found there isn't much information in the pay records. To be honest I haven't had much experience with them except the ones I've seen on line. There's always a chance and there is a lot of people on the forum that will help read them.

The VA has archived the records of the WWII guys and I'll post their address in another post.

 

Here's the link or information on the VA--where they keep their records.
http://www.va.gov/directory/guide/facility.asp?ID=5380
Keep us informed.

 

Thanks again. Come to find out that sometimes what you are told isn't always the truth. So I contacted my step mother and bless her 85 year old heart she had my dads discharge.

So the truth be told he was in the 140th Cavalry Mechanized Regiment and his MOS was Cannoneer 610. His service decorations were American Defender Service Medal. His listed campaigns were African, Middle Eastern, Tunisia and European, Naples-Rome-North Atheon (??).

So after some digging I can't find out much about this, is the information correct or is it just that I don't know what I am looking for. Can anyone lend a hand.

 

Ok got it figured out now. I must have misunderstood or my stepmother read it wrong so I called again. Woke her up this time.

So now looking at it, he was in the 104th Cavalry Regiment Mechanized

Most likely based on his service record he was in Troop C (Chambersburg), 2d Squadron which matches the details of his Discharge i.e. Naples-Foggia
Rome-Arno
North Apennines
Tunisia

Thanks again guys.

 

According to Stanton, The 104th was never call overseas. If he went to North Africa and Italy he must have been with another unit.
Could you get your step mother to send you a copy of his discharge?

 

I had seen that as well but also found this

"Thirteen mechanized cavalry groups fought in Europe. They were the 2nd (2nd and 42nd Squadrons); 3rd (3rd and 43rd Squadrons); 4th (4th and 24th Squadrons); 6th (6th and 28th Squadrons); 11th (36th and 44th Squadrons); 14th (18th and 32nd Squadrons); 15th (15th and 17th Squadrons); 16th (16th and 19th Squadrons); 101st (101st and 116th Squadrons); 102nd (38th and 102nd Squadrons); 106th (106th and 121st Squadrons); 113th (113th and 125th Squadrons); and 115th (104th and 107th Squadrons). In addition, the 117th Squadron served with the Seventh Army in Southern France and the 91st Squadron served with the Fifth Army in Italy."

And then also this at http://www.history.army.mil/html/forcestruc/lineages/branches/armor-cav/104cvrg.htm

Lineage and Honors Information as of 25 June 2013

104TH CAVALRY REGIMENT
Relieved 23 September 1940 from assignment to the 22d Cavalry Division
Inducted into Federal service 17 February 1941 at home stations
Regiment broken up 1 January 1944 and its elements reorganized and redesignated as follows:
Headquarters and Headquarters Troop as Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 104th Cavalry Group, Mechanized
1st and 2d Squadrons as the 104th and 119th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadrons, Mechanized
Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 104th Cavalry Group, Mechanized, and the 119th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron, Mechanized, inactivated 15 August 1944 at Camp Gruber, Oklahoma; 104th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron, Mechanized, inactivated 15 November 1945 at Camp Hood, Texas
Headquarters and Headquarters Troop, 104th Cavalry Group, Mechanized, and the 104th and 119th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadrons, Mechanized, consolidated, reorganized, and Federally recognized 17 April 1947 as the 104th Cavalry Reconnaissance Squadron, Mechanized, with Headquarters at Harrisburg

and....


CAMPAIGN PARTICIPATION CREDIT
World War I
Champagne-Marne
Aisne-Marne
Oise-Aisne
Meuse-Argonne
Champagne 1918
Lorraine 1918
World War II
Northern France
Central Europe
War on Terrorism
Iraq:
Iraqi Sovereignty
Headquarters Troop (Second Troop Philadelphia City Cavalry), 1st Squadron, additionally entitled to:

World War I
Ypres-Lys
World War II
Naples-Foggia
Anzio
Rome-Arno
Southern France
(with arrowhead)
Rhineland
Ardennes-Alsace
Troop A (First Troop Philadelphia City Cavalry), 1st Squadron, additionally entitled to:

Revolutionary War
Trenton
Princeton
Brandywine
Germantown
New Jersey 1776
New Jersey 1777
Pennsylvania 1777
Civil War
Peninsula
Manassas
Antietam
Fredericksburg
Gettysburg
Wilderness
Spotsylvania
Cold Harbor
Petersburg
Shenandoah
Appomattox
Virginia 1861
Virginia 1862
Virginia 1863
Virginia 1864
Maryland 1863
Pennsylvania 1863
War with Spain
Puerto Rico
World War I
Ypres-Lys
Troop B (State Fencibles – Philadelphia), 1st Squadron, additionally entitled to:

Civil War
Gettysburg
Maryland 1863
Pennsylvania 1863
World War II
Central Pacific
Eastern Mandates
Western Pacific
War on Terrorism
Iraq:
Iraqi Governance
National Resolution
Troop C (The Governor’s Troop – Annville), 1st Squadron, additionally entitled to:

War with Spain
Puerto Rico
World War I
Ypres-Lys
Headquarters and Headquarters Troop (Reading Artillerists), 2d Squadron, 104th Cavalry additionally entitled to:

War of 1812
Streamer without inscription
Mexican War
Vera Cruz
Cerro Gordo
Churubusco
Molino del Rey
Chapultepec
Contreras
Puebla 1847

Civil War
Antietam
Chancellorsville
Virginia 1862
War with Spain
Puerto Rico

World War II
Tunisia
Naples-Foggia
(with arrowhead)
Rome-Arno
Rhineland
Troop C (Chambersburg), 2d Squadron, additionally entitled to:

World War II
Naples-Foggia
Rome-Arno
North Apennines
DECORATIONS

Meritorious Unit Commendation (Army), Streamer embroidered IRAQ 2009
Troop B (State Fencibles – Philadelphia), 1st Squadron, entitled to:
Meritorious Unit Commendation (Army), Streamer embroidered PACIFIC THEATER

Troop C (Chambersburg), 2d Squadron, additionally entitled to:
French Croix de Guerre with Silver-Gilt Star, Streamer embroidered ROME – ARNO

BY ORDER OF THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY:

ROBERT J. DALESSANDRO
Director, Center of Military History

 

I will try and see if she will send me a copy but I won't bank on it since she isn't the most cooperative sort. If I do I will scan it.

The only thing that is still kinda driving me nuts is she said the 140th Cavalry Regiment Mechanized. Of course she is 84 so she could have read it wrong . But if she is right I am finding diddly on the 140th Cav other than an obituary for another gentleman from the same area in Pennsylvania who lists he served in the 140th Cav Recon Mechanized.

Everything else matches perfectly with what I knew, Serial number, enlisted, separation and so forth. And it seems from the Discharge that he absolutely was in Africa and Europe which is what he had said. But I would like to get his actual unit right.

I have also found an old 1940's Army bulletin about the MOS' and how his MOS 610 Cannoneer was also changed/synonymous with anti-tank gunner and suggested as the substitution for Lt and Med Tank gunner and/or crewman, so what he had told me about his tank duty isn't far fetched at all.

 

Stanton shows there was no 140th Cavalry Regiment. They only went to 129th.
Maybe he was transferred to the 104th for discharge.
You said he was wounded, his unit may be listed with his Purple Heart award on the separation.

I'm really confused how they could be given campaign credits for the Italian campaigns and not be recorded in Stanton.
I wonder if Robert J. Dalessandro has an email address- if so I'll ask him.

Do your best silver tongue routine and persuade your step mother to give you a copy of the separation paper. Maybe flowers would work .

 

I wasn't able to find a 140th either which is why I will have to see if I can get the papers from her, even if only to copy and then send them back.

Me being a NAV Vet makes it so much easier, Rate, Rank, Ship Name, all done. I don't have to know, Co, Plattoon, Division, Regiments, Groups and all that. Boggles my mind.

 

The WWII Army separation document has so much more information than the Navy's of the same era. I have my one brother's Navy papers and it didn't have his ship, fleet, nothing important. Guess it's what one gets used to. Try figuring out the Air Force units some time--really fun.

I emailed and asked about the conflict between what Stanton has, and the information on the Italian campaigns that they had--I'll let you know what they come up with. Go to your private message.

 

Hi Folks. I have uploaded my Dad's separation papers to Photobucket, along with his final pay voucher, a picture of his uniform, and his purple heart, which my nephew has.

http://s296.photobucket.com/user/vt03a3/library/KM-WW2?sort=3&page=1

I hope this link works.

My nephew also has his hat, which I thought was lost.

I did ask NARA Personnel records for his medical records too, but they had nothing. I don't know his unit, so I can't precisely ask for morning reports around his wounding date of 11/19/1944. However, thanks to Ruud, I can see on a map where the 2nd Armored was on or about that date. I'm focusing on the German towns of [SIZE=11pt]Baesweiler, Palenberg and Ubach, searching the Web for action reports from around that date. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Once I have some suspect units, I may contact a paid researcher to look for morning reports. I have received some help from the Eisenhower Library folks. They tell me that Combat Command A of the 66th Armored Regiment, Second Armored Division, was still unloading on June 12, when my Dad landed. They also have some action reports of the 66th from November 1944. They have been helpful. [/SIZE]

 

Maybe someone on here can help me. I'm looking for a veteran from this regiment by the name of Joseph C jr Romano. His ANS number is 32670538. He is from Erie County, Buffalo NY.