Human catastrophe

As we all know the Syrian and other Middle-East region refugees are trying to get into EU area no matter what. These images left me heartbroken. I'm a father of three small children myself so this cuts me deep. No matter what one thinks about the immigration "problem" but we should never allow this to happen.









Please, read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219553/Terrible-fate-tiny-boy-symbolises-desperation-thousands-Body-drowned-Syrian-refugee-washed-Turkish-beach-family-tried-reach-Europe.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/little-syrian-boy-washed-up-6371871

 

''it'' has been happening for thousands of years....innocent children dying from war, fleeing war, hunger, neglect, domestic violence, slavery, murder, rape,etc....it's not like it's the first time it's happened....
who, exactly, do you mean is allowing this to happen.?..same thing like Rwanda--they said the US allowed it to happen--BS........not trying to go off topic, just to point out, we are not allowing it to happen....or Europe...it's life

 

Yes and children died on 9/11,on 9/12, etc,etc

 

Yes, I'm fully aware that this has been happening throughout the history of mankind and probably will happen in the future too.

What I was saying is that those particular images stopped me.

 

Who do you consider responsible. The EU? The Father? ISIS? The US?

 

Hard question... as this family was Syrian the blame lies on Assad regime and ISIS.

 

Then what would be your solution to the problem?

 

I don't have any answer to that question but what I know is that we should do our best to help those people coming over to Europe.

 

You are aware that helping those currently coming over would greatly increase the number of those making the trip? Many in the EU are unhappy with the current number of refuges much less more. Do their feelings hold no weight?

 

Of course I'm aware of that. As I said, these particular images stopped me and I'm thinking this more emotionally than rationally right now. Europe can't handle these amounts that are currently arriving so this whole situation is unbearable.

 

I'm not convinced that all of them are genuine refugees. Call me old fashioned, but I recall refugees fleeing war zones over the border into the nearest safe country, counting their blessings and then making the most of it while waiting for the opportunity to pick up their lives again.
The current crop seem intent on moving through one safe, stable democracy after another while looking for the "right" place to demand the right to settle there. Hungary is a good example; no war there, or in Italy or any of the other countries through which these people are entering Europe, so why are they demanding to be allowed to travel to Germany? It can only be to share the standard of living, so they're not "refugees", since the latter do not by definition have the choice of where they want to end up.
Calais is another one; France isn't at war, so why are people rioting and risking their own lives to try and enter Britain? They're safe where they are.
I don't see Saudi or any other Arab country offering to take these people in, so France, Italy and Germany can take their "agreement to take a fair share of refugees" and ram it right up.
I said from the word go that this open borders idea was a classic piece of naive BS, and the chickens are coming home to roost now.

 

I'm reading a lot of comments from the people on the news media about how we-whoever that is--should stop this, fix it, and not let it happen.....yes, ''we'' will use a magic wand to stop all wars, hunger, etc....
when you bring in more people, wages down, prices up.....you need more $ for social programs, police, etc.....and then there is the national security problems...housing/rental prices go up...then social unrest.....and then people want to leave that place....

 

Apologies for using word "we" as it seems to be too hard to take to you. I was just referring mankind generally. No need to turn this into political arguing of any kind as my intention was only state my sadness over those images.

 

These "refugees" are now flooding Denmark from Germany and demanding to be allowed into Sweden. And there are still people naive enough to believe they're genuinely in danger-
"Denmark says it will no longer stop migrants travelling freely through the country if they didn't want to seek asylum there.
The announcement comes after police were forced to close road and rail links with Germany to prevent thousands of refugees from trying to reach their preferred destination of Sweden.
Danish police chief Jens Henrik Hoejbjerg said his officers 'can't detain foreigners who do not want to seek asylum in Denmark.'
The decision appeared to contradict the Danish political line, although there was no immediate reaction from the government."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3228161/Denmark-blocks-motorway-rail-links-Germany-stop-refugee-flow.html#ixzz3lLNAaEUP

 

Those pictures of the little boy are absolutely heartbreaking. Unfortunately, the little boy had been living with his family in Turkey for 3 years and his father was working as a barber, so when they decided to make this trip, it wasn't out of fear for their lives. Did they want a better future in Canada? Yes. But they weren't fleeing a war zone. I put the blame for the death of this precious little boy on his father. Harsh, perhaps, but from what I'm reading, that's where the facts line up.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/07/story-begins-to-unravel-about-drowned-syrian-boy/

 

The meme below is making the rounds and is rather telling. The Yazidi and other minorities are fleeing to the Kurds, while their men fight with the Kurds against ISIS.

The Syrians fleeing to Europe are a very different crowd. I saw a statistic from somewhere saying that 73% of the refugees were young Syrian men. Why aren't they fighting for their country, with any group? That still leaves a minority of actual refugees, but even with them why Europe if not for the social net?

To make it even crazier, now Turkey (a NATO member!) is attacking the Kurds who are the only effective force against ISIS. I realize nobody in the west is willing to put boots on the ground, but why not expel Turkey from NATO, arm the the Kurds with surface to air missiles to knock down Turk planes and then use our own drones and aircraft to pound ISIS?

Let the Kurds sort it out. They seem to be doing a rather good job on their own. With a little help they can do it on their own.

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That's mentioned regularly on social media now.

 

none to the US...the US let's in hundreds of thousands of '''refugees'' per year...after Beirut bombing, after the 1987 hiack of TWA, the Achille Lauro hijack, 9-11,etc etc ---this is a security as well as an economic issue....need to cut back immigration, work visas, etc at least 80%

 

Is it seriously such an issue when people seek better lives elsewhere?

Can Europe really not afford a few hundred thousand more inhabitants? There are 503 million living there now. If 500,000 are too many (IOW less than a promille), in that case, we should get cracking and enforce sterilisation of the lower classes as we speak. Too dumb to earn more than 100,000 Euro annually: place your nutsack here...

500,000 is far less than the numbers of Syrian refugees present in neighbouring countries. If you've lost almost everything anyway, wouldn't you try to escape the Lebanese camp and seek a better life? Which ones do you think would get encouragement (culturally, and by their peers) to do so, the young women, or the young men?



Once upon a time, the US welcomed anyone. Poles or even the Irish.

The US has gotta get it's act together and weed out those Ted Kaczynski's and TImothy McVeigh's.... Damn white immigrants.

 

No. There's a housing crisis in Scotland, as well as the rest of the UK.
We don't have enough houses for the people already living here, so letting in even more would be sheer stupidity-
"SNP under fire for failing to tackle housing crisis in Scotland"
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/snp-under-fire-failing-tackle-6415283

"Commission calles for radical action on housing crisis"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33065383

"Why can't Britain build enough homes to meet demand?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-33539816

We're not America; we don't have unlimited space.