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Cold War an extension of Nazi Policy


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#1 GunSlinger86

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:33 AM

It seems during the Cold War the US hatred, feelings, distrust, propaganda, and actions against Communism was similar if not alike to Nazi policy.  It was almost if we took over for the Nazis in the fight against Communism after we defeated them.  There are many similarities between Nazism/Fascism and US policies: Segregation, Eugenics, hatred of Communism along with negative propaganda against Russian Communism, economic policy where property and business is still privately owned but the government has a hand in controlling it (New Deal, Corporatism/Fascism).



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:43 AM

Has anyone checked your meds lately? :)


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:46 AM

Anyone with logic and reasoning can see the comparisons,  For people who are really mentally ill and require medicine that could be seen as offensive. 

 

Hitler praised the US and adopted Segregation and Eugenics for his Nazi policies, that's been cited before, as one example.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:49 AM

It's not automatic to say that being anti-Communist makes you Pro-Fascist. The US was anti-totalitarian. 


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:01 AM

It's not automatic to say that being anti-Communist makes you Pro-Fascist. The US was anti-totalitarian. 

Agreed.  I'm not saying the US was pro-fascist, I'm just taking one similarity of policies between two different countries who were "enemies" but had a similar outlook, views, and actions in regards to Communism.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:06 AM

Agreed.  I'm not saying the US was pro-fascist, I'm just taking one similarity of policies between two different countries who were "enemies" but had a similar outlook, views, and actions in regards to Communism.

That breaks down pretty quickly. 


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:31 AM

Well...Since we are talking about similarities between two very different forms of government.

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It's not all that hard to find similarities between two different objects...Not that it means very much.

 

You can find similarities between the Wright Flyer and the F-22...But there are also far more differences.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:51 AM

You guys have to open your minds a little bit.  Hell the CIA smuggled Nazis over here and hired them to the CIA specifically for use against the Russians in the Cold War for intelligence and clandestine violence. 



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:08 AM

You guys have to open your minds a little bit.

I keep an open mind...But not so open that my brain falls out.


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:29 AM

So the CIA didn't smuggle and hire Nazis specifically to fight the intelligence and clandestine violence of the Cold War? The US didn't practice Negative Soviet-Communist propaganda? We didn't practice and enforce segregation and racism?



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 12:24 PM

Most of the US was anti-communist before WWII and indeed many were due to the activities of the Communist during the Russian civil war.  The atrocities committed by the Communist in the time after they came to power clearly justified that stance.  US policy was hardly the same as Nazi policy in that regard though.  The Nazis sought out the cooperation of the USSR at the same time they were planning on attacking them with the aim of conquest while the US policy was one of containment.  Your premise is fundamentally flawed due in large part to it's one sided nature.


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:46 PM

So the CIA didn't smuggle and hire Nazis specifically to fight the intelligence and clandestine violence of the Cold War? The US didn't practice Negative Soviet-Communist propaganda? We didn't practice and enforce segregation and racism?

That's called a "strawman argument." 


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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:08 PM

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 05:50 PM

Most of the US was anti-communist before WWII and indeed many were due to the activities of the Communist during the Russian civil war.  The atrocities committed by the Communist in the time after they came to power clearly justified that stance.  US policy was hardly the same as Nazi policy in that regard though.  The Nazis sought out the cooperation of the USSR at the same time they were planning on attacking them with the aim of conquest while the US policy was one of containment.  Your premise is fundamentally flawed due in large part to it's one sided nature.

That's all I meant, that they had similar feelings on Communism, and the cold war and clandestine activities that went on against the Soviets were in line with what the Nazis believed, that Communism should be destroyed.  Maybe I should have been more clear that just because they were similar, doesn't mean the US was gonna commit genocide and consider them sub-human.



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 06:36 PM

the US was pro-freedom-of-choice for these countries....they weren't out to take over the countries...Nazi policy equal to Cold War policy?   ?? I thought the nazi policy was to exterminate Jews? 



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Posted 29 February 2016 - 07:10 PM

That's all I meant, that they had similar feelings on Communism, and the cold war and clandestine activities that went on against the Soviets were in line with what the Nazis believed, that Communism should be destroyed.  Maybe I should have been more clear that just because they were similar, doesn't mean the US was gonna commit genocide and consider them sub-human.

 

Similar? Well yes and no.  Both rightly viewed Communism as a threat.  That's about as far as you can take it though.  Certainly their policies were very different.  The Nazi's launched a surprise invasion of the USSR and didn't feel uncomfortable trying to eliminate most of the inhabitants as well as Communism.  The US was content to contain Communism and let it self destruct.  I don't see a lot of commonality there.
 


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Posted 01 March 2016 - 04:49 PM

We fought in Korea and Viet Nam to contain Communism... Yes there was aggression from NK and the NVA that led us to intervene, but we had no problem wiping out millions of Vietnamese and Koreans.



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 04:52 PM

You guys are taking what I said way too literally.  What I meant was the Cold War was similar to Nazi Policy as in a hatred of and to take the fight against Communism, whether it be propaganda, espionage, clandestine acts of violence or whatever.  Did I say America wanted to wipe out the Jews? No.  Did I say we wanted to invade the Soviet Union and send 40 million Slavs to Siberia to die? No. 



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 05:15 PM

You guys are taking what I said way too literally

I don't think you have to worry about that.  It is hard to take an America=Nazi Germany thread seriously.



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 05:38 PM

the US wasn't out to grab land...maybe help out some US companies....I thought the US was very reluctant to help France in Nam, etc..?  they truly did want elections held, but circumstances got in the way



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 06:43 PM

I think any comparision between Nazi policy with others will be a tough sell. I understand, at least I think I do, regarding how Communism in America was propagandized and a feared political system. The Cold War propaganda in the US was heavy, but the National Socialist political agenda was also propagandized but was based solely on aggression, hate, right winged nationalism and violence. When looking at the overall scope of the burgeoning Nazi rule one only has to look at the 25 Point Program:

 

Policy 4 for example, "Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman." 

And also

 

Policy 8: "Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately."

 

My point is that National Socialism was born and evolved into the most evil regime in history. When comparing any policy to the Nazis will always recieve scrutiny.

 

 

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Posted 01 March 2016 - 07:15 PM

We fought in Korea and Viet Nam to contain Communism... Yes there was aggression from NK and the NVA that led us to intervene, but we had no problem wiping out millions of Vietnamese and Koreans.

 

Except of course we didn't, Wipe out millions of Vietnamese or Koreans that is.  Stating that we had "no problem" with it isn't exactly a correct statement either.
 



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 07:22 PM

You guys are taking what I said way too literally.  What I meant was the Cold War was similar to Nazi Policy as in a hatred of and to take the fight against Communism, whether it be propaganda, espionage, clandestine acts of violence or whatever.  Did I say America wanted to wipe out the Jews? No.  Did I say we wanted to invade the Soviet Union and send 40 million Slavs to Siberia to die? No. 

 

Your  "meaning" is still quite problematic.  We certainly didn't take the fight against Communism anywhere near to the level the Nazis did.  Nor was their the level or even type of hatred shown by the Nazis in general.  There were a few in the US who wanted to take it to that level but they were pretty soundly repudiated.

 

Your argument in general is the equivalent of saying that since humans share the majority of their DNA with zebra fish (~85%) we are fish or zebra fish are  human. 



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 09:27 PM

I think any comparision between Nazi policy with others will be a tough sell. I understand, at least I think I do, regarding how Communism in America was propagandized and a feared political system. The Cold War propaganda in the US was heavy, but the National Socialist political agenda was also propagandized but was based solely on aggression, hate, right winged nationalism and violence. When looking at the overall scope of the burgeoning Nazi rule one only has to look at the 25 Point Program:

 

Policy 4 for example, "Only those who have German blood, regardless of creed, can be our countrymen. Hence no Jew can be a countryman." 

And also

 

Policy 8: "Any further immigration of non-Germans must be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans who have entered Germany since August 2, 1914, shall be compelled to leave the Reich immediately."

 

My point is that National Socialism was born and evolved into the most evil regime in history. When comparing any policy to the Nazis will always recieve scrutiny.

 

 

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ok Kj..I have to say the nazi regime caused the most destruction, murder, etc only because they had the technology--if that's what you mean.....but there have been many evil regimes.....the Hutus murdered more Tutsis faster, ....so more people, by percentage, participated directly in the murders....



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Posted 01 March 2016 - 09:52 PM

You guys are taking what I said way too literally.  What I meant was the Cold War was similar to Nazi Policy as in a hatred of and to take the fight against Communism, whether it be propaganda, espionage, clandestine acts of violence or whatever.  Did I say America wanted to wipe out the Jews? No.  Did I say we wanted to invade the Soviet Union and send 40 million Slavs to Siberia to die? No. 

 

You also fail to take into account Soviet actions during the Cold War against the US, to include;

 

propaganda, espionage, clandestine acts of violence

 

Revelations from a plethora of Soviet defectors that coincided with the crumbling of the Soviet Union has provided ample evidence that Soviet espionage, subversion, financial support of and manipulation of many domestic US entities was much more widespread than most Americans believed post McCarthy/Red Scare era.


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