Orlando shooting

Headline news in the UK about the shootings in an Orlando nightclub with reports of 50 dead. Horrific and heartfelt condolences to all affected by this.

Reports suggest it is being treated as a terrorist attack but seems no links yet made between the shooter and terrorist organisations.

Yet another senseless slaughter.

 

Bloody awful.
Apparently ISIS have claimed responsibility, but they might just be jumping on the bandwagon-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3637414/Everyone-running-Gunman-bursts-gay-nightclub-Florida-shoots-20-people-taking-hostages.html

 

Another horrible act of barbarism. Let me just add that it was the gay nightclub so we can probably know the motive of a shooter.

 

The shooter himself called the police and claimed allegiance to ISIS then shouted Allahu Akbar through the murders. So, no, I can't imagine what his motive was. It's a mystery.

 

Don't neglect to mention that in 2013/2014 the shooter had been investigated for pro-ISIS sentiments and connections to a suicide bomber. At this time it appears that the shooter had no direction connection to ISIS but the ideological link is clear.

 

Terrible, just terrible. My hearts go out to the victims friends and family.

 

Another ghastly mass murder, apparently in the name of the same foul cause we are all so familiar with by now. What is there to say that has not been said about previous examples of the same thing? Whatever the cause may be, the result is always the same: more pain and suffering, and further demonstration of the inborn propensity for awfulness of the human species. What a world.

 

How is it a mystery? If he claimed he's loyal to ISIS who definitely hate gays than we can know his motives.

 

His ex wife described him as mentally unstable and violent.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36514608

 

Sarcasm. Our own spineless, politically correct president won't call it Islamic Terrorism.

 

Lone wolf attacks like this can be more a mental illness issue than real terrorism...bit like the devil made me do it...I've no idea whether this is mental illness or terrorism, but it may explain why the gumbyment haven't called it...

 

I am sure ISIS will have no issue claiming responsibility even if there was no solid connection between the two. Regardless, IMO if he used the precepts of those mindless, immoral sociopaths then it's an act of terror.

 

No, the guy has already been interviewed twice for radical Islamic activities and statements. These Islamic groups have declared war (Jihad) on the US, and the west in general. It's only our idiotic president pretending it isn't a war. It doesn't matter a whit to me if the guy is a lone wolf with "issues" or has been directed as an operative by some group. Inspired or directed is the same thing as far as I'm concerned.

I'd say anyone who follows a religion founded by a murderous pedophile who advocated slavery, rape and torture has certain 'issues' but our system allows freedom of religion, no matter how odious it might be. However, when you attack others under the auspices of that religion (or a radical subset of that religion), then we need to call it what it is. In this case it is Radical Islam.

I do not think it would be unconstitutional to imprison anyone who advocates Sharia Law, since most of these lunatics are inspired by Imams who advocate that. by definition, to impose Sharia law is to overthrow the Constitution. That's treason. If they are US citizens, lock them up. If foreign, then drop them by parachute into the center of whatever shit hole they came from.

 

My point is that it is Radical ISLAMIC terror and that our weak president refuses to use that word in connection with this. That doesn't mean we should blame all followers of that religion, but it is the height of politically correct folly to ignore this.

 

Some valid points but one should be careful with terms. I see a significant difference between "advocating" Sharia Law for instance and "imposing" or possibly advocating "imposing" it. If someone thinks they have a better idea I have no problem with them advocating it I do with them imposing it or trying to do so.

That said I also think it's important to acknowledge that religious fanatics in general are a threat to our society and at this point in time Islamic fanatics are the main component of at least the physical portion of that threat. Didn't Sun Tzu say something about knowing your enemy?

It is interesting that some are refusing to acknowledge that while trying to make political points off of it in other ways, such as referring to the weapon used as a "powerful" "assault rifle". My understanding is "powerful" and "assault rifle" are rather contradictory terms and that the weapon involved wasn't an assault rifle in any case.

 

We'll have to respectfully disagree. If we weren't at war with radical Islam, you'd have a valid point. However, since the goal of radical Islam is to enslave or convert all non-believers through Sharia law, then we have a problem. To advocate Sharia law is to advocate Jihad. Lock the bastards up. Period.

 

I read that there has been 15 such insane acts of violence during Obama´s time. The one that shook me most was:

The Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occurred on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza fatally shot 20 children aged between 6 and 7 years old, as well as six adult staff members.

 

Living in CT and being a teacher and a father, I have never gotten over that one.

 

A lady being interviewed on TV tonight was asking in all innocence why do we let people like him have guns. Valid question but the answer I expect is hidden somewhere in the freedom of gun ownership and apparent lack of control.

Just makes it easier for those who want to label themselves terrorists to carry out such carnage.