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#1 GunSlinger86


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 06:24 PM

The Cold War was an ideological battle between two opposing economic forces.  Its sometimes labeled wrongly though when they say Democracy vs. Communism.  The correct comparison is Capitalism vs. Communism.  The Western powers disliked and distrusted the Soviets and Communism just as much as Hitler and the Nazis did, and following the war against Hitler, Nazism, and Fascism, do you think the Cold war was more of a fear of Communism, Totalitarianism, or both? Soviet Russia was both Communist and an oppressive Authoritarian State.  Was that more of the ideological fear, Democracy vs. Totalitarianism, seeing as we recently defeated Hitler's Regime, only to have a larger, oppressive totalitarian regime to deal with post war.  Was that more of the fear than Communism, or both?

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Posted 19 October 2016 - 04:55 PM

This is a complicated subject and the assumptions implicit in your opening statement can be challenged


Was there just one cold war?  


One feature of the cold war is that several regional conflicts became proxy limited wars and then frozen as across the intra Korean border and the borders between Israel and its neighbours. Were Israel and South Korea engaged in the same conflict?


Was the cold war just about political and economic models? There was a whiff of nationalism and national interests in e.g. the removal of democratically elected President Allende of Chile is easier interpreted by the Monroe doctrine      


Did the Western Powers really "dislike and distrust the Soviets and Communism just as much as Hitler and the Nazis did,"  If they did they have yet to cross the start line.   It might also depend on the state and who was in power ;)  

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 05:33 AM

The US became a Security/ Quasi-Fascist state after the CIA and the Act that went along with in in 1947, organizing coups in other countries, assassinations, propaganda influence in foreign elections to support our economic and political interests across the globe in the name of National Security.


Was the US more concerned with the totalitarian aspect vs. Democracy or the economic angle as capitalism vs. communism? And yes, the proxy wars were basically the US vs Russia in Korea, Viet Nam, and Afghanistan.

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 05:44 AM

In my opinion, to understand Geopolitics today, one has to start at the source. It all began with infamous Churchill speech at the Westminster College in Fulton Missouri, with Truman at his side in 1946.
The war against Russia will be such that it cannot be conducted in a knightly fashion. This struggle is one of ideologies and racial differences and will have to be conducted with unprecedented, unmerciful and unrelenting harshness. -Adolf Hitler

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Posted 20 October 2016 - 05:55 AM

Im not sure it was Capitalism vs Communism...or if it was, then it boils down to money. As I see/saw it, it was two Super powers - One on the heels of a totalitarian regime bent on empire building...I think the US didn't want the USSR to expand...why? One can talk about cultural containment, the spread of communism, but as usual it boils down to money. Either Russia gets it or the US and its allies.

So the "WAR" was about containment. If you went commy, you went to the USSR and became beholden to them to some extent. Trade and science goes to the side one is on.

Not to mention the "fear" that communism takes money from the rich and gives to the "people". (At least in theory).

Edited by CAC, 20 October 2016 - 05:56 AM.

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