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#26 CAC

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Posted 15 December 2016 - 03:29 AM

I should have added that these 'taxi drivers' are doing degrees in engineering and such...
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Posted 17 December 2016 - 02:23 AM

Thanks merkel and bama, for the presents you have given us. The gifts that keep giving.


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Posted 17 December 2016 - 04:21 AM

Enjoy reading warisboring. Entertaining bits there. ..Have to balance that with the fact BFrydenborg voted for bama twice.

Once would be excusable.

But, this is an interesting bit...

Is there any new solid evidence Russian gov was involved

https://warisboring....----3----------


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 06:17 PM

There are no solid evidence that the two hacker groups identified so far are connected with the Russian government, or that they are Russians.

Both groups have existed for at least 8 years, and are well known all around the world for their hacking efforts.  

The main evidence is that there are some Russian words in their viruses, and "in Russia nothing happens without the government" which of course is nonsense. 

They say the emails were leaked mainly because Podesta clicked on a link with a virus on his (unsecured - without antivirus software) computer, and that virus stole his password to his email account. It's something even a child playing Club Penguin wouldn't do.



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 06:42 PM

More accurate to say no solid evidence has been revealed to the public.  Whether it exists is an open question.  That the hacker groups are originating from Russian IP addresses is pretty strong evidence they are Russian and the fact that they are still in business after 8 years rather implies at least some connection to the Russian government at some level.  Again more evidence may and almost certainly does exist but has not yet and may never be revealed.



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 07:32 PM

Certainly, but the computer forensics investigation at the DNC was conducted by the security firm CrowdStrike and basically nobody else, they released all their findings on their web site. 

No hacker uses his own ip addresses for hacking purposes, as rule he uses encryption, hides behind a long chain of owned computers spanning multiple countries, or uses a distributed botnet to do his bidding. Those people are so sure of their anonymity that they are bragging of their exploits on public discussion forums. 

 

A professional organization with an access to serious money would change their tools and modus operandi every few years - to hide their identity better and confuse its opponents. Those two didn't.

 

And then this:

 

HANNITY: Can you say to the American people, unequivocally, that you did not get this information about the DNC, John Podesta's emails, can you tell the American people 1,000 percent that you did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia?

 

JULIAN ASSANGE: Yes. We can say, we have said, repeatedly that over the last two months that our source is not the Russian government and it is not a state party.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 08:00 PM

It's not at all clear that CrowdStrike was the sole entity conducting the investigation.  From what I recall reading there were government entities interested in the events before CrowdStrike was hired.

 

No need to hide your identity all that much if you are protected by the government of the country you reside in either.

 

Then there's the question of how much you could trust Assange if the people that gave him were criminals working for the Russian government or individuals in the Russian government Assange's statement would be correct but misleading as well.  Much of the hacking/cyber war attacks coming out of Russia appears to be at the very least inspired and condoned by the Russian government in some cases it even appears to be financially supported by them but the individuals conducting it are not technically in the Russian government.



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:21 PM

All governments are into hacking if they have the technology and clout and the West cannot take the moral high ground. It is the age of the Cyber War. We have no idea what the UK and USA governments are up to. Shady characters in the spying game are old hat now. Just recruit the cleverest computer nerds and use the information to your advantage, causing mayhem in the process. As plebs, our dilemma is whether to believe our own government or alleged hacked information from a foreign power.



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 10:43 PM

Joe Rochefort, anyone? 


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:01 PM

I don't see it so much of a moral high ground issue is that as a world power the US cannot afford to let other powers get away with exerting serious covert pressure on our elections.  Info gathering is one thing but this gets into the area of a direct attack. 



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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:23 PM

"Gentlemen don't read other gentlemen's mail." 

 

Therefore it's okay to read Putin's. 


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:47 PM

No need to hide your identity all that much if you are protected by the government of the country you reside in either.

 

Governments never admit their spying activities because it exposes them to reprisals - which can't be responded in kind effectively if you admitted your guilt. 

 

 

I don't see it so much of a moral high ground issue is that as a world power the US cannot afford to let other powers get away with exerting serious covert pressure on our elections.  Info gathering is one thing but this gets into the area of a direct attack. 

 

entirely unproven covert pressure we could say. 

 

The new American government will be one of the strongest in recent history. Trump has House, Senate, 33 of 50 state governorships behind him. The people he has chosen so far for his cabinet seems to be professional and strong-willed. From the point of view of a potential American adversary this is a development straight from a horror movie. 

This really can't be good for Russia or other wannabe global player. It's hardly believable Putin wanted this. From his point of view Congress and the president constantly deadlocked over issues would be ideal - so he would vote Clinton. 



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 02:03 PM

Whether or not it's good for Putin and Russia or others depends on how Trump's aims align with his.  If he thinks he can "play" Trump  then it's exactly what he wants.  Whether or not he can is an open question.  He certainly wasn't going to be able to do as well with Hillary.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:18 PM

It should be mentioned, I think, that the Russian economy is 18 times smaller than the American economy.  10 times than the Chinese economy. In total 11 countries are richer than Russia, including Brazil and South Korea. 

Per person Russia is almost a third world country, behind Lebanon and Malaysia, occupying 64 place.

Russia is not an economic threat, and not a military threat (with its single rusty aircraft carrier with crashing planes).

The US doesn't need Russia for anything, and if Trump restarts arms race - China can take it, Russia will be crushed like a bug.

 

Russia has no allies, and she should thank God every day that the Chinese still don't "remember" which one of the unequal treaties hasn't been reversed yet. And for the Chinese the unequal treaties are like Pearl Harbor, only ten times worse. 



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 07:44 PM

Any country with nuclear weapons is a military threat.  Some things are certainly more difficult without Russian participation/help so yes the US does need Russia.  To say Russia has no allies is hardly correct either.  They have a number of them.  How reliable they are and for what is a bit more complex but they are certainly there.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:00 PM

Can we see some solid evidence Russia influenced/hacked anything?

Or is it another- Saddam has weapons of mass destruction- type of conclusion.

isis is another ball of wax.

Thank allah for wikileaks.


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Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:10 PM

There's certainly a significant amount of evidence that Russians have been hacking a lot of things.  In some cases the extent of government involvement is an open question though.  How much in general or in this particular case will be revealed to the public is also an open question.

 

The comparison with Saddam and chemical weapons is hardly a reasonable one.  Saddam had and used them at one point in time.  Just prior to the war he had gotten rid of most (but not all) of them but was sending out messages both to that effect and to the effect that he still had them.  He also still had a chemical weapons program underway and the capability to manufacture them in short order.

 

Wikileaks is a clear case of Assange not being able to hit the broad side of a barn and nailing some bystanders in the process.  His irrational attacks on the US got him in trouble when he was a teen and he was lucky then that he got prosecuted under Australian law.  IMO he's rather like a less wealthy and less competent version of the Clintons.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:28 PM

President-elect Donald Trump:

10h ago

Somebody hacked the DNC but why did they not have "hacking defense" like the RNC has and why have they not responded to the terrible things they did and said (like giving the questions to the debate to H). A total double standard! Media, as usual, gave them a pass.

11h ago

"@FoxNews: Julian Assange on U.S. media coverage: “It’s very dishonest.” #Hannity " More dishonest than anyone knows.

11h ago

Julian Assange said "a 14 year old could have hacked Podesta" - why was DNC so careless? Also said Russians did not give him the info!

23h ago

The "Intelligence" briefing on so-called "Russian hacking" was delayed until Friday, perhaps more time needed to build a case. Very strange!

 



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:11 AM

President-elect Donald Trump:

10h ago

Somebody hacked the DNC but why did they not have "hacking defense" like the RNC has and why have they not responded to the terrible things they did and said (like giving the questions to the debate to H). A total double standard! Media, as usual, gave them a pass.

The RNC was never the target of a hack.  It does not mean that the have a better "hacking defense."  Where is Anonymous when you need them?

 

As to "not responding to the terrible things they did..."  Has anyone seen Mr. Trump's tax returns yet?

http://thehill.com/p...ase-tax-returns

Guess not.

 

 

Julian Assange said "a 14 year old could have hacked Podesta" - why was DNC so careless? Also said Russians did not give him the info!

I believe he said ""Our source is not a state party. So the answer -- for our interactions -- is no"

 

Now, why include "for our interactions"?  Very Strange!  Unless...the information was obtained by sources associated with the Putin Government, passed along to an intermediary, who then passed it along to WikiLeaks. 



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:38 AM

Thanks LWD. You always participate and can contribute more than i. Kudos eh.

The US probably does a fair amount too.

What is the evidence. ..Seems like dems are upset that their corruption was exposed. Unsure what the problem with exposing corruption is- no matter how evidence is obtained.

Almost like they are saying -incriminating evidence was obtained- but- the offending party was not notified their communications were monitored/breached. Therefore the evidence is not admissible. lol

Liberal justice think.

Hopefully, MrT will change the supreme court to truly represent/reflect the Normals of western society. :)


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:07 AM

"We published several ... emails which show Podesta responding to a phishing email," Assange said during the first part of the interview, which aired on "Hannity" Tuesday night. "Podesta gave out that his password was the word ‘password’. His own staff said this email that you’ve received, this is totally legitimate. So, this is something ... a 14-year-old kid could have hacked Podesta that way."

 

That man Podesta is an idiot (like in my password is password). Do the Americans want to be ruled by idiots?

 

Every computer on this planet directly connected to the Internet is attacked, scanned, tested several times per minute. If the RNC was never a target it means they are not on Internet.

 

There is no legal requirement to publish tax returns. It maybe not nice, but he didn't win by being nice. 

On the other hand giving the questions to the debate to Clinton was a direct effort to influence the election.


Edited by wm., 05 January 2017 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:53 AM

That man Podesta is an idiot (like in my password is password). Do the Americans want to be ruled by idiots?

We elected Trump as President...So, I see that the answer is an unqualified "Yes."

 

 

There is no legal requirement to publish tax returns. It maybe not nice, but he didn't win by being nice. 

On the other hand giving the questions to the debate to Clinton was a direct effort to influence the election.

But, giving the some questions early did not break any laws either...Correct.  Was it unethical?  It was.

 

The same is true for Trump and his tax returns, it broke no laws, but it was unethical.

 

Yet, you continuously castigate Clinton, but give a pass to Trump?



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:09 AM

OMG...The clintons- if we could only count the ways

But the apprentice Trump who has not even stepped in office... Oh Lawdy. (screaming with hands in the air) Oh lawd, what has brought this hellacious man upon us...lol (cough)...i kid


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:11 AM

Hey, it's payback time...We were 8 years the slave (thanks hollywood).


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:39 AM

Hey, it's payback time...We were 8 years the slave (thanks hollywood).

You've only held a job for 8 years?  What did you do with the rest of your life?

 

You've been a slave a lot longer than you think you have been a slave...A slave to the Almighty Dollar.

 

But the apprentice Trump who has not even stepped in office... Oh Lawdy. (screaming with hands in the air) Oh lawd, what has brought this hellacious man upon us...lol (cough)...i kid

Well, at least you got that right...Trump is only an apprentice, and a bad one at that.

 

What about Trump's "Draining the swamp"?  He didn't drain it, he refilled it and then added a diving section.


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