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#26 OpanaPointer

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 11:57 PM

Personally, I believe a coup by the Heer was a real possibility from about the time of the Rhineland occupation up until the conquest of France. Before then, a disaster would have made a coup politically possible. The Heer generals would have needed a justifiable reason they could take to the public for deposing Hitler. After the successful French campaign Hitler was untouchable. Even if successful, a new government wouldn't have the consent of the governed.

Shirer agrees with you, by and large. 


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Posted 07 January 2017 - 08:47 PM

I've heard that Britain's foolish prime minister mister Chamberlain inane meddling in the affairs of Europe before Germany's evasion of Poland made matters worse.


How did they evade poland?

That a German coop was waiting for Hitler to


Appoint Himmler as Reichsfuhrer of Nazi chickens?



  

yes we do ;) When the 1935-6 Air Estimates were passed by Cabinet and parliament in the UK, the layered Air Plan was for the RAF to be ready to fight a European war at the end of the European barley harvest in 1939. Traditionally, this released large numbers of farm labouring reservists for call-up ;)
 
So I've seen it argued on this and other bases that rather than being the arch-appeaser we've always been told he was - Chamberlain was in effect only buying time in the year from 1938 to 1939 for the completion of the RAF's rebuilding to the level at which it could fight a war - the level it was at in November 1918 ;)
 
There's only one problem with this - what Chamberlain thought of the Munich Agreement. And there's one IMO very telling argument that he thought he WAS indeed buying peace with the sacrifice of the Czechs. Not a year's breathing space - but "peace in our time". And it was his official Downing Street Christmas Card of 1938...
 
This didn't feature any seasons' greetings or jolly fat man in a red suit, or Victorian snow scene with leaded windows in little cottages. Just a simple black and white photograph - of the aircraft he flew back from Munich on! THAT'S how proud of the peacemaking he was ;) Not the breathing space-buying.


If he was convinced that peace was at hand, why would his government approve so many destroyers and corvettes, before war broke out

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Posted 07 January 2017 - 10:39 PM





If he was convinced that peace was at hand, why would his government approve so many destroyers and corvettes, before war broke out

Plan B.

Regardless of how "sure" he was, he was a politician and political figures window dress their decisions. Chamberlain was going to stick to his belief and perhaps build as much clout as he could. However, it is perfectly normal to begin defensive operations toward a growing concern. The rise of National Socialism at this time was swift and they didn't hide their intentions.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 06:27 PM

Now I see why Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia.  At one point, Prague was the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, or the First Reich.  Hitler was trying to recreate the Holy Roman Empire by extending South East into Europe.



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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:23 PM

One of the reasons I think were the fact that his Reich only had foreign currency at times for a couple of weeks only. Annexing countries and their banks gave him time to do and prepare his army and country to war. Without Schacht he would have been done long before 1939 because he had no foreign currency. Ain´t that weird... Even how much he might have thought of Aryan nation he needed money,money,money....


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:50 PM

Now I see why Hitler wanted Czechoslovakia.  At one point, Prague was the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, or the First Reich.  Hitler was trying to recreate the Holy Roman Empire by extending South East into Europe.

OR he wanted the Czech industries and a free access to more of the Polish border. 

 

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:13 PM

If I recall correctly it was no problem for the Poles to take a part of the important industrial area for themselves when the Germans took the main part....


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:06 PM

If I recall correctly it was no problem for the Poles to take a part of the important industrial area for themselves when the Germans took the main part....

Take the land or let the German jumping-off point get even closer to Warsaw? 


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:26 PM

Or there were multiple reasons.  History and the past were important parts of Hilter's ideology, and yes the Czech industry was a key component that Hitler used for the war effort.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:32 PM

Czechoslovakia was regarded as an aircraft carrier of the Soviet Union in a future war. Then there was the industry, the money, the german population ...

Hitler was born in the Habsburg-Monarchy, when Bohemia belongs to Austria.



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:47 AM

Plus the historical and mythical aspects of the Nazi belief system.  Prague was once the capital of the Holy Roman Empire, the First Reich, The original "German" "Prussian" empire.



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Posted 08 February 2017 - 11:15 PM

I find OpanaPointer's analysis to be spot on. Chamberlain expected Hitler to act in a "normal" way. He thought he had acted for the good of Europe by brokering a deal. Hitler was anything but "normal".

 

Yes Hitler was devious in the way he would do things. Even if he got what he wanted, he would always ask for more just to put things back into chaos. Chamberlain did not see this coming. With Hitler you had to try and beat him at his own game and know his next move. Chamberlain did not see the wolf in sheep's clothing even after meeting Hitler twice. Hitler liked conflict and if he had to create it he would to get his own way! Chamberlain was totally out of his league. I often wonder how Churchill would have seen and dealt with the whole situation at the time.






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