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What do war department numbers mean on British tanks

Discussion in 'Armor and Armored Fighting Vehicles' started by John martin, Dec 31, 2016.

  1. John martin

    John martin New Member

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    Anyone know what those war department numbers on the sides of British tanks mean
     
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    If you mean the 'T' census numbers, they are simply the equivalent of a car registration number. Each type of tank (for example Comet or Sherman) used specific ranges of numbers so the numbers weren't random. I can't remember any specific ranges offhand but each range was linked to a manufacturing contract number so, by knowing the T number, it is possible to identify the Manufacturing Contract number and hence the Manufacturer.

    My fathers Sherman M4A2 was T152248 and his Comet was T335335.

    The Wartime T numbers were replaced in 1949 by ZR numbers so, for example, my dad's Comet T335335 was renumbered to 20ZR65.
     
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    Yea those are the numbers, I was quite recently in a small town in Australia and off the side of the highway abandoned in a field was 3 Matilda 2's and 3 m3 lee/grant (turrets missing) and one of the Matilda's and one of the m3's still had paint in some Areas and I'm quite interested in learning the history behind these vehicles

    T-24186

    Was the number on the m3 and I can't remember the Matilda's number but I have a photo of it on my camera somewhere
     
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    Anyone with any info on how to decode these numbers is very welcome and encouraged to share said info
     
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    Are you a member at WW2Talk.com ? Would get higher profile for your question. I can post enquiry for you if you prefer. Note: there are some real 'T' number experts over on that sister site.

    Pity those Matilda's are so far away: they really do need recovering!
     
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    It wasn't quite the equivalent of a car reg. number...because in many cases, T-numbered tanks etc. ALSO had registration numbers! Better to think of it in modern terms as a War Department "asset number" LOL
     
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    ......or, indeed, as a Census Number....... PMSL
     
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    Thanks for all the help I'll be sure to checkout that other forum

    And I think these Matilda's and M3's are too far gone, none of them have engines or turrets none of the Matilda's have floors and none of them have engine decks :(

    However I do plan on buying one eventually and sticking it on display in my garden cuz this place is only 6 hours away from me
     
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    That Matilda is probably the one in best condition but I think it's been converted to a bulldozer guessing by the controls ontop and the large mounts on the front corners
     
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    That M3 is probably the one in best condition but don't be fooled that's a T-17 armoured car turret loosely placed ontop and that's not an actual gun barrel it's just metal pipe
     
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    Those wrecks are in positively good condition compared to some restoration projects I've seen. All boils down to money at the end of the day.
     
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    Yea I have no doubt all the parts are there just walking around this yard I was seeing massive engine blocks tracks bogies there was an entire pallet of idler wheels clutch housings etc I guess one day I could strike a deal with the farmer who owns this place and take one tank hull and as many parts to said tank as I could find
     
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