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#1 panzergrenadiere

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Posted 17 July 2001 - 01:49 AM

I'm thinking of ordering Cross of Iron and Stalingrad (1993) on Amazon and I have never seen either of the movies and won't be able to unless I order them. Can anyone tell me anything about the movies?
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Posted 17 July 2001 - 02:56 AM

Cross of Iron and Stalingrad are both excellent movies. Stalingrad is in German. I will supply you witht the names to two other must see movies tomorrow, one is also in German and is the "Original" Stalingrad, and was done in I think 1958. It is also very well done. The other title I think is called Winter War, and is about the Fin/Russian War.
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Posted 17 July 2001 - 02:58 AM

I have seen and own Cross of Iron. It is about the conflict between a highly decorated vetern NCO and a Prussian Officer who seeks the Iron Cross. I don't want to give away the plot but it is along the lines of Das Boot. A protrayal of the way the daily wartime routine from the German point of view. Don't know if it is a true story but I can see some similarities in the movie and what I have been told. I liked it very much.
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Posted 17 July 2001 - 06:27 PM

Definetly get them both. I have the 1993 Stalingrad on DVD and its excellent, I have heard that CoI was a terrible transfer to DVD, and pretty much everyone says get it on VHS instead! This is probably true, as I have stayed away from buying the DVD transfer.

Youll really like both movies on whatever format you get them on, I couldnt recommened either highly enough. ;)
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Posted 25 July 2001 - 05:44 AM

Cross of Iron was a good movie, had a good feel for the german fighting man.Having said that it was woefully miscast. While James Coburn was passable as Steiner, most of the other main characters were ancient! What were they thinking of? James Mason must of been about 75 at the time.
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Posted 25 July 2001 - 08:52 PM

Its a good thing they didnt have James Mason in part two: "Breakthrough" with Richard Burton. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Now thats a really ancient frontline combat Feld :eek: :eek:
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Posted 27 July 2001 - 01:43 PM

Never saw that one, but have heard of it, it sounded terrible, was it?
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Posted 27 July 2001 - 11:58 PM

It really wasnt THAT all bad, but I even though Sir Richard Burton will always be a favorite British/Scottish/Welsh actor of mine, he was simply too old for the roll as a combat sergeant in the German Heer. Plus the nutty parts about the nazi party. The political crap should have been left out.

All in all, I dont remember it being that bad of a movie, but then again, I havent seen it for about 10 years and we all know that my memory lacks. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Posted 31 July 2001 - 05:32 PM

I havent seen CoI but I am reading the book and if the film is half as good as the book then it is pretty damn brilliant. I am thinking about getting CoI on VHS perhaps from Amazon or wherever. I may try to borrow a copy from someone as I am currently on the poor side of skint. How close is the film based on the book? I think my only complaint about the book is that basicaly the plot (at least the bit about the conflict between Steiner and Stransky) is given away within the first two chapters. I may be wrong about this though, I'll find out in a week or two though I suppose.
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Posted 31 July 2001 - 08:22 PM

Actually, I didnt care for the book, I always liked the movie much better.
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Posted 01 August 2001 - 12:46 AM

Yes I read the book too C, many moons ago, I was dissapointed after seeing the movie
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Posted 01 August 2001 - 08:25 PM

Thanks, glad I wasnt alone. I hated the part that has Steiner get killed. I know it was meant to be a sad senceless loss. Not that the writing was bad but was too long on certain things and not enough on others.
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Posted 02 August 2001 - 01:26 AM

Nearly every Hollywood and Blockbuster video in America has copies of both movies. They are pretty easy to find. In Hollywood they are under the "WAR" section, at Blockbuster CoI is in "Action", and Stalingrad will be found in the "Foriegn/Special Interest" section, right next to Das Boot.
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Posted 03 August 2001 - 01:12 AM

I wish I could say that the Blockbusters and Hollywood Videos around here had them in stock. I played hell for 6 months just to get a Hollywood Vidoe store near my house to order a copy, and that was only after many complaints to the store manager, and to the area manager.

Well, I went to go check it out for the third time about 2 months ago, and they couldnt find their copy :mad: :mad: then I checked back about a week later, and somone else said it was either sold, or lost :rolleyes: :rolleyes: that was the last time I had been in their store.
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Posted 03 August 2001 - 02:35 AM

I had the same problem. When I went to family video because I saw it there a long time ago,but i never rented it because I thouht it was some chezzy war movie like the dirty dozen II. Only to late do I find out the truth, because I had been sold before 2 days before I went back to get it.

I'm still searching video stores for a copy.
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Posted 03 August 2001 - 02:49 AM

Offhand, I dont recall the names of the links listed on this sites main page, but there are a few in there that will have this movie for sale. I know Amazon.com has it, as I tried to order it about a month ago, but the computer was messing up, and I never was able to complete the order,

There is a site that Roland Fogt gave us the link to, and it was listed along with Die Brucke, and the ORIGINAL Stalingrad movie from the 1950s. Something with the name of Teufel Hunds or words to that effect in its title. This film too is in German, and is well done. I think Wolfgang Priess is in it.

I watched it for the first time while visiting a friend of mine in Rickenbach, Switzerland. This too is a great movie.
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Posted 03 August 2001 - 02:52 AM

I was going to have a rriend download it for me, but that would take about 2 weeks with his slow modem.
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Posted 03 August 2001 - 08:24 PM

Geeze, I live for the day that that will only take a few seconds, like the taking of a photo and seeing its flash.
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Posted 05 August 2001 - 03:18 AM

I was in the mall today and saw Cross of Iron in a store and bought it. I have just finished watching it and I have to say Wow. It's a good movie, but there were some weird parts. Like the german soldier and the russian woman in the barn with the biting. Ouch. Also the ending seemed weird to me. But overall it was a good movie. I found another movie it was Called When trumpets blar or something like that. It takes place in the Hurtegen. The movie was made in 98, but I never heard of it. Can anyone tell me about.
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Posted 05 August 2001 - 12:40 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by talleyrand:
Try finding a copy of the Finnish movie "Winter War". Now thats hard.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

- An excellent movie, isn't it?

Too bad that you non-Finns have to settle for the short 2 hour version ;) , as I have both the original 3+ hour movie (in Finnish) AND the TV-series version, which is SO much better and is "only" some 5 hours long!
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Posted 05 August 2001 - 11:39 PM

Hello PzGdr, I think the movie your talking about was the one made for HBO called: When Trumpets Fade. If I remember correctly, the movie did not make a very good impression on me, but I think I did tape it. I havent watched it since then. This was about the Hurtgen Forrest battles--too modernized for my tastes.

I havent seen the Winter War--yet, but its on my list.
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Posted 06 August 2001 - 12:51 AM

I saw Cross of Iron and it was, well,.......wierd. I'm not sure why the film was put together like it was. It was a very fragmented story and the characters weren't given a chance to develop. There were also some very odd sections that were, well,........wierd. I'm not sure what else to say.

Anyone reading this who has seen the film tell me if you agree with me here: this film seems to be the only cult film out there that deals with ww2. Das Boot might be in that category as well, but this one is assuredly in the cult category. Especially when considereing the female soviet soldier scene and the cryptic ending.

On the positive side this is a whole story that deals with the German perspective, which is very rare in film. Also, it was great to see real t-34 85's and accurate weapons, including teller-mine 43's. If I am correct I think that this film presented the first occurence of the slow motion technique in action sequences to add drama. Similar to the way it was used in the recent film Face-Off, with Nicholas Cage. Seeing Steiner toss him empty mp40 magazines aside in slow-mo was kind of cool.

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Posted 06 August 2001 - 04:14 AM

Some of my favorite WWII films:
Saving Private Ryan
Cross of Iron
Das Boot
A Bridge to Far
Kelly's Heroes
Escape from Sobibor
Stalag 17
Stalingrad
(The movie about the Italians at Stalingrad of which I cant remember the name right now)
Winter War
Patton
The Longest Day
Tora Tora Tora

WWII films I hate:
Big Red One
Battle of the Bulge
Pearl Harbor
To Hell and Back Again
Any with John Wayne in the Pacific
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Posted 06 August 2001 - 12:03 PM

My favorite movies are:

- The Winter War
THE war movie, especially in the 5 hour version, which follows the course of war more accurately than the badly severed export version.

Amazingly accurate in a historical sense (the units, where it fought, the equipment, the locations, the battleground etc.)
The REAL T-26s especially are SO cool!


- Stalingrad
GREAT movie.


- Das Boot
One of my alltime favorites. Unrivalled in the submarine war category.


- S(h)aving Private Ryan
Not so impressive as a war movie (in historical sense) but you got to love those combat scenes.

- Cross of Iron
This is probably the first war movie in which I saw the nasty side of war as a kid. Blood & guts & violence. Not fun at all.
One of the best war movies ever appeared from Hollywood. Maybe because western allies are not "in it", all Germans are not portrayed as evil nazis etc.
Also, until SPR came along, it had the best combat scenes.


- Tuntematon Sotilas (The unknown Soldier)
Old black & white movie mad in the 50s, based on a book by Väinö Linna. Fantastic movie!!!

Those are my favorites. Haven't seen Pearl Harbor yet, so can't comment on that. Enemy at the Gates wasn't so good.

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Posted 06 August 2001 - 08:48 PM

C. I quite liked that movie "When Trumpets Fade" while it was small in scale I thought its portrayal of the mens feelings and motives was very realistically done. Veteran soliers getting killed for nothing late in the war in a meaningless battle. I have also read that the Hurtgen Forest was on of the worst run battles of the war on the US side that is.
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