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#1 hatch

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 04:15 PM

hoppy posted on the dambusters lancs thread about possibly not even 1 stirling remains in existance .
how many other british complete WW2 aircraft are completely extinct ????????

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 04:36 PM

Most of the weird Fleet Air Arm aircraft, for a start.... ;) plus oddities such as the Blackburn Botha.

But among the 'important' ones, the Handley Page Hampden, Halifax, and AW Whitley immediately come to mind. For sure, there are either replicas or salvage rebuilds in progress with all of these, but complete examples - no graemlins/no.gif .
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Posted 09 November 2003 - 06:18 PM

is there a BP defiant still in existence ???? . i believe they were not very effective planes , at least as day fighters but i always thought they looked the part with the turret behind the cockpit

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 07:07 PM

Theres a Defiant at Hendon. Its in the Black night fighter colours.

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 07:28 PM

Martin is quite correct. As sad as it is, it would be far quicker to list the aircraft that survived, than those which have been scrapped.
Of all the heavy bombers, only the Lancaster is airworthy. The Wellingtons and halifaxes are only static examples (most of which are incomplete)

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Posted 09 November 2003 - 09:04 PM

Hi,
A couple of years back, the last surviving Blenheim flew over my home city to honour its designer, who was also born there.
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Posted 09 November 2003 - 10:12 PM

...and then crashed. However, the rebuilding of the Blenheim is well under way.

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 12:24 AM

so I believe!
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 06:49 AM

Even today, I do not see the British government making a large effort to preserve it's historic aircraft. Of the V Bombers, I do not think any Valiants are left and I have not read of any preservation projects for the Victor Bomber. A few of the mighty Vulcans are being saved. I have not read much on saving the Avro follow up on the Lancaster and nothing on saving Bucceneers or early Harriers. I can't remember how much of the great TSR-2 was saved, but it was not a whole aircraft. Also I have not seen any of the "rasberry ripple colored " aircraft of the test squadrons of the 70's and 80's being saved from the scrap heap. graemlins/no.gif
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:03 AM

You need to get over here and have a look around the museums Ta - you'd be surprised !

Harriers and Buccaneers ( plus prototypes ) can be seen at Cosford, Duxford and Hendon and as for the elusive TSR-2 the following complete examples of this rare bird can be seen at :

XR220 - Cosford
XR222 - Duxford

There's a 'raspberry ripple' Hunter by the entrance of RAF Halton, etc etc....
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:13 AM

Good morning Martin ! I am glad to see some of the TSR's are still around. That was a great bird.

How about the Valient ?

Are there any Short Sunderlands left ? Or a Supermarine Walerus ?

I am planning to retire in April and the UK is on my " to do " list !!!! :D
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:18 AM

There's a Valiant at Hendon, Sunderlands at Hendon and Duxford, Walruses at The FAA Museum, Yeovil and Hendon.... :D
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 10:39 AM

Hi,
As I remember, the Museum of Flight at East Fortune, Scotland, has quite a few rare types. Can't remember which ones, though either a Vulcan or a Canberra springs to mind. Place is run by the Museum of Scotland these days.
Just remembered-they've got an ME 163 Komet.
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Hoppy:
...and then crashed. However, the rebuilding of the Blenheim is well under way.

??? !!! When did this happen? :eek: I got heaps of great closeup pics of a Flying Blenheim at the Duxford airshow 2 years ago... :eek:
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 12:50 PM

The Blenheim suffered an engine failure on approach to Duxford and belly-landed 18th August.

No-one was hurt and skilful flying meant that damage was minimised- even so, we probably won't see it flying again until the 2005 season... :(
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 06:20 PM

Back in the early eighties when the Blenheim was first rebuilt, it crashed not long after its first few airshows.
The second time was as Martin has mentioned, in August.
TA, read the thread 'Guy Gibsons Lancaster' on this forum. I gave a brief description of how the Valient was saved.
Martin also tells of how the Prototype Mosquito evaded being turned into the contents of an ashtray !!! ;)

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:07 PM

i remember seeing the TSR-2 at duxford a couple of years ago . it was looking a bit sad sitting outside next to a HE-111 . have they put it indoors yet ???????

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:31 PM

Breathe easy, hatch - it's now fully restored and sitting in No. 1 Hangar. You can see it at ; -

http://www.johnmulle.../pics/tsr22.htm
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Posted 10 November 2003 - 07:34 PM

ahhhhhhh a quick lick of paint and in the warm...........sorted.

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 08:53 PM

The 'HE-111' is actually a Spanish built CASSA.
Not being pedantic, just thought you might want to know !! ;)
Duxford is a great place to go, especially when theres a few aircraft flying, it all adds to the magic !!

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 09:08 PM

duxford is a great place to go as long as you dont take the missus cause all you get is cmon , cmon , hurry up !!!!!!!! you really need to go on your own though or with someone like minded who isnt in a rush and can slowly stroll through the hangars and really soak it all in . then its a great day and a long one !!!!!!!
i must go soon myself . its been to long..........

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Posted 10 November 2003 - 09:12 PM

yea hoppy , tell ya when i first saw it i straight away knew it was a HE-111 but did notice slight differences about it which i hadnt noticed before ....engines etc.....
still a 111 though !!!!!

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Posted 11 November 2003 - 06:28 AM

Thanks for posting the picture of the TSR-2 link Martin !! I did not realize how big the aircraft was until I noticed the person standing under the left wing. Boy, the UK beancounters really messed up when they cancelled building the aircraft. It was really nice I think. I am glad the Bucceneer is inside also. It is anouther great from the UK. tongue.gif
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Posted 11 November 2003 - 07:02 AM

I just thought of two other American aircraft that the British and South African Air Force used and I don't think any survived but I hope I am wrong. The Martin Maryland and the Martin Baltimore. They are overlooked in history for some reason but served well in the Mederterine theater. ( I can't spell but I guess you can get the idea !! )
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Posted 11 November 2003 - 07:40 PM

With respect TA, it was pressure from YOUR government on our weak leaders of the day, that cancelled TSR-2. The US Government said that they would wipe off vast sums of the WWII Lend-Lease agreement, if our government cancelled TSR-2 and bought the F-111. They even insisted that the Jigs in the factory were destroyed...... :(
Sorry, but thats the truth, even though it is still 'not talked about'.
Politics my friend..... ;)




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