I was just reading the October 2005 issue of WWII magazine. There was an interesting article on the secret submarine missions to Europe by the Japanese. It seems that the Germans gave quite a bit of tech to the Japanese. It was a good thing that alot of the subs were sunk before they could make it back to Japan.According to the article the Germans sent in one shipment, 50 Enigma machines,a complete Wurzburg air defence ground radar with bluprints,examples of German torpedoes,bombs and fire control systems along with 1 million yen of industrial diamonds. The sub was sunk before the items could be dilivered though.The Japanese did deliver blueprints of the Type 91 torpedo to the Germans. On a 2nd shipment the Germans sent 20 more Enigma machines, a HWK 509A-1 rocket motor,a Jumo 004B axial-flow turbojet,Blueprints for the ME-163 and Me-262 and a V-1 fuselage.Also sent were drawings for the Isotta-Fraschini torpedo boat engine and acoustic mines. That sub too was sunk before it could deliver. Though the blueprints for the Me-163 and Me-262 was taken off before that happened. I wonder how the war would have been affected if they had made it? Do you think that if the Japanese had received the Enigma machines instead of them being sunk on the way to them would that have caused a problem for the Allied intelligence agencies?

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could you just imagine if the japanese got hold of german technology, I have always considered most japanese technology inferior. (tanks, small arms, artillery and son on). But to have control of german tech. wow. Just imagine an Me 163 or Me 262 taking on the F4F Wildcat instead of Zero's, or V1 rockets being fired at american bases in the pacific, or the STG 44 in the hands of many million japanese, well I probably wouldn't be speaking english now to start off with. But then again try and launch and land an Me 262 on and off a carrier, could it even be done?

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But the Americans would still have had the bomb, so the end outcome is the same.

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very true not a bad what if tread though, could bring up some good discussion.

oops sidtracked again i'm going now

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They shall grow not old as we that are left grow old Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We shall remember them. Lest We Forget

It may have delayed the outcome a little longer. But the end would have been the same but with more casualties.

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Still they had a few prototypes from the plans they did get didn't they ?
Nakajima Kikka ?
Mitsubishi J8M Shusui ?
R2Y Kein ?
Shinden ?
and had some underground facilities to build them too, didn't they ? Dug into mountains ?

They could've caused a lot of "grief" had they got the plans earlier, got them to fly & return, secured the necessary materials earlier, had fuel/weaponry left when they were needed over their homeland.

I know, a lot of "if" s.

In the end, it wont change the outcome. Troublesome to ponder though.

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