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I was just searching on YouTube for colored footage when I came across this:

YouTube - JUST IN!!! UFO Evidence Found in WW2 Footage?! Unedited!!!

You can see multiple ''things'' flying past near the end of the video.
I personally don't believe in UFO's visiting earth or anything, but I don't know how to explain that. Is it a (secret) weapon or something similar?

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I'm not an Ufologist nor an UFO's buff but I already knew about the many US pilots reporting to have faced "close encounters" during missions in the Second World War.
We recently digitalized over 20 reels of this material filmed in 1945 during the last months of the war in the Pacific.
What we see here at the end of this reel is something moving in the sky so fast and in such a way to exclude the possibility it could be a kind of plane, rocket or any other weapon used by the US Navy or Army in WW2...
V.R. 1945. Unedited raw fragment.
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A weapon, aircraft, hoax or something else?
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I was just searching on YouTube for colored footage when I came across this:

YouTube - JUST IN!!! UFO Evidence Found in WW2 Footage?! Unedited!!!

You can see multiple ''things'' flying past near the end of the video.
I personally don't believe in UFO's visiting earth or anything, but I don't know how to explain that. Is it a (secret) weapon or something similar?

Comments from the uploader:
I'm not an Ufologist nor an UFO's buff but I already knew about the many US pilots reporting to have faced "close encounters" during missions in the Second World War.
We recently digitalized over 20 reels of this material filmed in 1945 during the last months of the war in the Pacific.
What we see here at the end of this reel is something moving in the sky so fast and in such a way to exclude the possibility it could be a kind of plane, rocket or any other weapon used by the US Navy or Army in WW2...
V.R. 1945. Unedited raw fragment.
Soundtrack added (Demo Only) in 2008 by ROMANO-ARCHIVES, performed by Introspective (Revised Hypothesis).

What do you guys think of it?
A weapon, aircraft, hoax or something else?
LOL!!! I never take anything on YouTube at face value. Its the video version of Wikipedia . This would be more of a "What If?" if even that lol.
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You might like this thread LOL.

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LOL!!! I never take anything on YouTube at face value. Its the video version of Wikipedia . This would be more of a "What If?" if even that lol.
Yeah, I see what you mean.
But what do you think of those objects flying by in the background?
There might be a reasonable explanation for it, because there were also lots of soldiers reporting of so-called Foo-Fighters. Those were also ''unknown objects'', seen by reliable/respected members of various airforces.

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I've heard of those German UFO theories. Pure fiction.
The Americans however had real ''flying saucers'', the Vought XF5U & V173 ''Flying Pancakes''.
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Off course the Germans had flying disks or what people mistakingly call UFO's. After the Nazis decided to call of the 2nd WW - in order to continue their neverending research - they moved to underground bases at the North Pole.

Soon the day will come were the (In the meantime they have mutated to Morlocks) Flying discs will regain control of this world.

Here is the prove:
bmwprag1uq7.jpg

No now for real, IIRC the Germans had a flyingmachine or disc shaped aircraft very simmilar to the Vought XF5U. As for the u-tube film this (UFO) looks to me like someone shoot of a flare (notice the flying curve) which is then dragged away almost horizontal due to the prevailing winds on the carrier. IMO

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Off course the Germans had flying disks or what people mistakingly call UFO's. After the Nazis decided to call of the 2nd WW - in order to continue their neverending research - they moved to underground bases at the North Pole.

Soon the day will come were the (In the meantime they have mutated to Morlocks) Flying discs will regain control of this world.

Here is the prove:
Attachment 3565
Right...
Btw, nice picture. Is that the disc-shaped aircraft you mentioned?

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No now for real, IIRC the Germans had a flyingmachine or disc shaped aircraft very simmilar to the Vought XF5U. As for the u-tube film this (UFO) looks to me like someone shoot of a flare (notice the flying curve) which is then dragged away almost horizontal due to the prevailing winds on the carrier. IMO
That's sounds actually very reasonable (far more than UFO's ).
Also, I'll do some research on those German ''saucers''.
Secret weapons invented during WWII are very interesting.
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A flare sounds resonable but I don't even think it is that. I would say just a distortment of the film. It actually appers to be more in the forground. Even a flare I think some one on the deck would have taken notice. It's too blurry given that you can easily make out the shape of a plane in the background. Like I said some kind of distorment after the film sat for years.
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Okay I found it. Supposedly this aircraft brought up the Flying Disc myth in regards to the Third Reich.

Sack AS-6 Luft '46 entry

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Default Re: UFO's in Pacific War footage?

I agree that if that light/object was actually on the scene, someone on deck would've noticed it - you can see crew looking in that general direction but there's no pointing "hey, ja see that ?". btw, that's USS Enterprise CV-6 during what appears to be her night-carrier tour in early 1945 - interesting footage, never seen that before.
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I would call it an UCA.

Unidentified Camer Anomaly.

Probably something reflecting in the lens or an artifact from film processing.

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That is lovely footage of Enterprise. Had to watch the thing twice before I even noticed the "UFO" myself. Also, the claim that it's unedited when there are clearly cuts (not to mention the music) is absolutely preposterous. I'd guess this is actually from a training film. Would love to see the whole thing. Some of the best footage of Enterprise I've ever seen, and it suggests there must be a lot more out there. (Seeing as the Navy wouldn't go to the expense of shooting color just to make a two minute film. They did their general purpose documentary stuff in B&W, didn't they?)
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Not just Enterprise, also looks like cuts from a Sangamon class CVE. The island in most of the scenes is most definitely not Enterprise. I see aircraft in the distance and what looks like a piece of trash blowing down along the flight deck.
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A few of those planes looked too modern

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No, it's pretty definitely Enterprise. You may be thinking of her island as built. If you see early war pictures, they might confuse you, as Enterprise's bridge was extensively modified during a 1943 refit. The footage is probably from operations in the Central Pacific, since she traded in her Navy Blue measure 21 dress for a specially crafted dazzle pattern, MS 33 4ab, in 1944.

Photo Archive Main Index has quite a few good photographs of a number of different carriers.

Here you can see CV-6 with her original bridge:
Aircraft Carrier Photo Index: USS ENTERPRISE (CV-6)
The early war platforms and bridge windows are pretty clear. Squarish and angular platforms with large bridge windows.

Here you can see the bridge she was given in her 1943 refit:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020646.jpg
Very different. It's rounder now, and there are many fewer platforms. The windows have been replaced with small portholes. And the front of the island looks much more square, since there are no platforms at all below the level of the bridge. You can see the heavy stack structure, which gives the island a massive appearance. It's less visible in the video, as the angle is much more severe, but you can make it out if you know what you're looking at.

The square sheer front to the island, the rounded bridge platform and bridge, the small rounded extension just above the bridge, and the rounded bass to the rangefinder just above and aft of that are all visible in the video. You get a nice clear shot at about 48 seconds.

A Sangamon class CVE, by contrast, has a very very small island, and a quite square bridge:

http://www.navsource.org/archives/03/0302623a.jpg

The island is diminutive by comparison to a fleet carrier. They didn't have the air control facilities of their larger brethren, and didn't need space for flag officers and their typically extensive staffs. Further, the funnels aren't incorporated into the island, as they were on the Yorktown and Essex class carriers. (Not quite certain where they are, as they're not at all obvious in the spotting picture. Might be that there were vents somewhere below the flight deck, as on early British carriers.)

Further, the planes are all aircraft that operated off Enterprise in 1943 and 1944. F6F Hellcats and TBF Avengers. The smaller aircraft, those with the short cockpit faired into the fuselage, are F6Fs. These were the primary US carrier fighter from 1943 until nearly the end of the war. (The Enterprise was among the first carriers to field the F4U Corsairs that replaced them when she took aboard specialized night squadrons.)

The larger aircraft, with the long "greenhouse" canopies, and the ball turret aft are TBF Avengers. These torpedo bombers began to replace the TBD Devastator in mid 1942, fully supplanting the aging TBDs shortly after Midway. (The navy never really had all that many TBDs anyway, so it wasn't terribly difficult.) The Avengers proved adaptable enough that they served right through the end of the war.

Anyway, I hope this helps clear things up. The vast majority of the footage is clearly Enterprise. And I'd bet quite a lot that it all is, and all from the same operation. The same day, I'd guess. But I'd still like to see the rest.
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You're right, of course, can't see how I managed to miss the funnel structure, all that caught my eye was the light playing off the lower forward portion of the island. Note, though, I never said there were no shots of Enterprise, I caught the big 6 on the flight deck.

Thanks for the extra lecture on carrier aircraft. You may wish to brush up, though, on F6Fs and TBF/TBMs operating together off the larger of the CVEs, Sangamon class, and the CVL, Independence class. F6Fs and TBMs were not solely confined to fleet carriers of the Yorktown and Essex classes.
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Never meant to imply that TBF/Ms or F6Fs (or any other Navy type) operated solely off the big sticks. Simply that all aircraft depicted operated off Enterprise while she wore her blue warpaint. As it happens, I've been brushing up on my WWII CVs of all sides and sizes for a good couple of years now as I've been simultaneously building heavily kitbashed navies in 1/2400 and working up rules to justify my obsession. I've yet to find either rules or models that completely satisfy me. Particularly at the Midway+ scale I'd like. I'm always happy to learn something new about WWII carriers.

That's why I wish I knew where to find the rest of that film. It's remarkably good source material. And darned pretty to boot. (I've always had a special softspot for CV-6. Annoys me to no end that many people think of other vessels by the same name first. Though I'll make exception for current or recent Navy personel if they happen to think of CVN-65.) So if you have any interest in discussing carriers or recommending primary source materials, bring it on. There's a world of information out there I've not found yet. And some of it might even help.
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