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Thanks again, guys.
The replies to this one have been valuable indeed! 
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Not done yet my friend !
if you haven't seen this yet, and from the other forum....
www.histavia-21.org/docMK108rvac.htm
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No, definately not for me. I am sober and still don't get anything. I suposse I am too stupid...
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Erich, I just had time to check out the airwar forum you recommended.
Great, really great stuff !
I'm very glad to have posted this thread. It demonstrates how one inexpensive purchase at a militaria fair can lead to a complex and fascinating research subject.
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January 28th, 2003, 05:56 PM
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Resurrecting an ooolld thread here - just shows that research never stops...
Still fascinated by the Mk108 30mm German aircraft cannon shell - the current issue of ' Armourer ' has an article about German large-calibre machine guns.
One reason the 30mm shell looks 'odd' is that the explosive shell is not cast or milled as in other munitions. It is extruded from a disc of steel ( in much the same way that the propellant casings are made ).
The thin shell casing thus allows much more explosive filling to be used. Result, less penetration but a powerful explosive charge - devastating against bombers... 
No excuses - I find this sort of thing very interesting.... 
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Martin:
The M Geschoss for the 2cm and 3cm in the MK 108 had a thin walled case and also a very touch and quite explosive fuze.....
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Here we go again ... !
Having got my head around 7.92, 13.9, 2 types of 20mm and 3cm - I've now come across the 15mm 
What was this and what was it used in ?? 
[ 03. March 2003, 07:36 AM: Message edited by: Martin Bull ]
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Martin the MG 151 15mm was used as a nose through the prop weapon till the MG 151/20 was developed in the 20mm stage. The earlier weapon was used in the Bf 109 variants. Once the MG 151 15mm was phased out of the aerial arsenal it was used as a ground to air weapon with what stocks were still available.
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Thanks, Erich !
The subject of German WWII aerial weaponry is far more involved and interesting than I ever thought.....
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Recently added 3cm Mk108 M-Geschoss Auf. A & C plus Mk101/3 M-Geschoss shells to my collection, and thought this a good time to update this thread by saying all the questions raised above are fully answered in the book 'Flying Guns : World War II' by Dr E Gustin and forum contributor Tony Williams.
The development of German aircraft guns and ammo during WWII is an extraordinary story and leads to a greater understanding of the airwar objectives and tactics.
An absorbing and thoroughly recommended book.
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I read a little article about a 262 approaching a bomber & the pilot pressed the trigger, & a P-47 passed right in front of it as the shells came out & dissapeared into a million pieces. Serious case of wrong place-wrong time.
The 30 mil cannon was voted best aerial weapon of ww2 somehwere in a recent aviation mag article. But that falls into the realm of opinion. Sorry haven't got it at hand.
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It's that old 'best' problem again !
The Mk108 3-cm was undoubtedly the 'best' for destroying bombers in daylight ( which is what it was designed for ). At night, or in fighter-to-fighter combat, the 20mm was 'best' and I'd reckon the Hispano over the MG151.....
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Thanks for the book plug Martin!
You'll find an extended version of the gun effectiveness evaluation in 'Flying Guns' on my website (WW2 Fighter Armament Effectiveness).
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July 28th, 2005, 09:34 AM
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You'll have to send me an autographed bookplate ! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Seriously though - the book deserves the plug ( and I paid full RRP, too - a rare occurrence ). It's taken me years to make sense of German WWII cannon development and without the book I'd still be lost. The information on projectile colour coding is also invaluable - I know it can all be found on the web, but it's nice to have all the info and pics to hand.
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