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June 3rd, 2003, 11:34 PM
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They didn't fly often. That was my point and now it's clear. OK. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I think the Belle last mission was to Bremen, but I should read something instead of believing what I watched on the film!
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I'm glad we got that out of the way, Fried....I can go to bed now!   [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Still would like to know Timothy's sources though...
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June 3rd, 2003, 11:44 PM
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Doolittle did not fly missions with the Heavies........but a twist of fate grabbed Brig.-General Fred Castle who led the 487th bg and was shot down by Sturmböcke IV.Sturm/JG 3 Fw 190A-8's on December 24, 1944.......interesting as I am in contact by e-addy with his personal driver during the war, and soon a couple of the crewmen who biled out of Castle's B-17 that fateful day....anyway sorry for jumpin in here
more on our new web-site around the corner....ha, ha 
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June 3rd, 2003, 11:48 PM
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No No! very interesting Erich, as always! The former SturmStaffel 1 guys, right!?
Show Us The Kwan!
Ivo de Jong is working on a unit history of the 487th right now. He might have more on that, Erich. Are you in touch with him? (Silly question... )
Castle is indeed a known story...
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June 4th, 2003, 12:02 AM
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Hey my friend ! actually the only guy that had been around for sometime in IV.Sturm/JG 3 (for this particaular mission) was Oskar Bösch who flew on this mission and his wingman was responsible for shooting down one of the B-17's of the 487th.
Yes Ivo requested info from my data files and I kindly sent him a portion for his comments about a month ago.....now word from him as he maybe in the States ? not sure, guess I need to send a mail his way if he wants more...
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June 4th, 2003, 12:10 AM
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Not surprising as Sturmstaffel 1 lasted till march/april 1944, of the top of my head...Wonder when Barry's book is available?
Hmmmm, that's pretty inconsidered... 
I know Ivo is still in Holland as he does reply to requests on the 487th e-maillist, although it takes a few days before he does. He will attend the 487 reunion this year, I believe.
He is the treasurer of the Dutch AirWar research Group I am a member of. We have been in touch in the past and he sounds like a very nice guy.
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sturmstaffel 1 was actually around till absorbed what part of it till May 8th which it then became the 11th staffel of IV./JG 3 and the staffel according to friend Oskar Bösch became the Sturmstaffel of IV./JG 3, still flying Bf 109G-6's for another week.....
where is the book ? not sure but it will be two tremendous volumes.
Stevin if you are in contact with Ivo, maybe U can send him a greeting from me and ask if the info I sent was useful.....please ?
does he have info on the Ju 88G-6's we have discussed in the past possibly..... ? [img]graemlins/rk.gif[/img]
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Will do. I want to ask him to sign a book he has written...About a Milk Run that went sour...
I cant wait for Barry's book. Should be excellent!
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I think I'll wake this topic back up. Here's mine ...
Favorite British -- Lord Alexander of Tunis and Lord Mountbatten of Burma
Favorite Germans -- Hasso von Manteuffel and Franz Bäke (especially the latter)
Favorite Frenchman -- Jacques LeClerc
Favorite Americans -- Theodore Roosevelt Jr. and James Gavin
Favorite Russians -- Georgi Zhukov and Vassili Chuikov
Favorite Japanese -- Minoru Genda
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December 14th, 2003, 07:20 PM
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My favorite commander for WW2 have to be SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Steiner or SS-Oberstgruppenführer Paul Hausser.
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December 15th, 2003, 06:29 PM
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Good to have this old thread livened-up again!
Welcome aboard, Fenrir! Hope you like it in here!
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And Hausser is definitely a good choice. There were not many SS officers to definitely counteract a stupid Führerbefehl.
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My favorite will always be Eisenhower. He was a hell of a leader and will always be the best.
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GOD DAM, there are lots, von Kluge, von Bock, von Manstein, Guderian. But oubviosly, ROMMEL is the greatest of all
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December 23rd, 2003, 12:23 AM
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You're right. Rommel was a very good commander.
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December 23rd, 2003, 04:32 PM
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A VERY good field commander at divisional and corps level, an awesome tactician but nothing more! He cannot be considered the greatest at all.
But, it's favourite commanders thread, so it's OK.
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January 11th, 2004, 10:42 AM
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The best commanders of german army :
Brauchitsch
Rundstedt
Kluge
Great victories with this commanders!
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January 12th, 2004, 07:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally posted by cristi:
The best commanders of german army :
Brauchitsch
Rundstedt
Kluge
Great victories with this commanders!
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And even greater defeats.
Cheers,
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January 13th, 2004, 11:57 AM
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yes andyw you are right
Tell me a commander that in his career it was never defeat ?
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My personal favorite is Rear Admiral (then Captain) Edward Ellsburg. Of course, you probably never heard of him. He was an expert in naval engineering and salvage. Inventor of the underwater cutting torch and underwater welding among other things.
During the war he was the salvage expert called in to restore Massawa Harbor in Eritrea after the Italians surrendered in Eithopia. Later, he recognized that the British Royal Engineers plans for moving the Mulberry harbors to Normandy wouldn't work and helped resolve the problem (this one went as high as King George and Churchill to get fixed).
His books like "Under the Red Sea Sun" and "The Far Shore" are good reads too.
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Heinz Guderian.
I'm reading "Berlim: The Final Battle" and found one thing that I didn't know: how 'crazy' - let me say this - was Guderian when he faced, screamed at Hitler! And he was 99% of the times right...
So, not only the fact of being a master in conducting the Pazers, but the way he litteraly challenged Hitler's orders. And Hitler did respect him a lot...
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More than that
Hitler took Guderian ideas an said that he came with the ideas.
After Moscow failure, Guderian was release from command large troups, after he retreat his panzers.
Sorry about my english
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Oh, let’s see . . . not necessarily in order of favor . . . and at highest rank held during the war
Fleet Admiral Chester Nimitz
Admiral William Halsey
Admiral Raymond Spruance
Admiral John S. McCain
Vice Admiral Charles Lockwood
Vice Admiral Frank Fletcher
Commodore Arleigh Burke
Captain John Thach
Captain James Flatley
Lieutenant Commander John Waldron
What? there was a war in Europe, too? Well, if that don’t beat all … who won?
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I study for personal reasons your list. Very carefull men they.
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