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Does anyone know a table containing pairwise kill scores of the fighters? For example, I have read that the score of Me 109 vs. Hurricane was 272:153 in the Battle of Britain; but of course these aeroplanes also met in Africa etc.

What about FW 190 vs. Mustang etc. ?
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Don't know any off the top of my head for the Second World War, but there is a statistic I keep seeing from the Korean War which claims that the ratio of F-86 Sabre kills to Mig-15's was 15:1 in the Sabre's favour.
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I can throw out some late in the Pacific Theater info . . .

The 1944 - 1945 time period is interesting in terms of credited claims. By that time the use of gun cameras in USN fighters was commonplace, so most claims were readily verifiable and those non-verifiable were classed, at best, as probables or, more likely, damaged. Further the use of team tactics in the US squadrons pretty much eliminated the ‘lone wolf’ type claims. The ACIO program provided personnel specifically to debrief pilots, evaluate claims on the face of all evidence (and often took a lot of convincing) and reporting results in a standardized format. At least one ACIO of whom I am aware would not credit any claim unless it was on camera.

Total Japanese fighter losses credited to USN/USMC fighters in 1944 were 2875. Broken down by type of US plane credited:

1944 - Shot down by F4U or FG: 477
1944 - Shot down by F6F: 2264
1944 - Shot down by FM: 134

The Japanese fighter losses for 1944 by type break down as:
A6M series (“Zeke”, “Hamp”, “Rufe”) - 1876
Ki-43 (“Oscar”) - 293
Ki-61 (“Tony”) - 254
Ki-44 (“Tojo”) - 189
Ki-27 (“Nate”) - 36
J2M (“Jack”) -10
Unidentified or Other - 217

Total Japanese fighter losses credited to USN/USMC fighters in 1945 were 2000. Broken down by type of US plane credited:

1945 - Shot down by F4U or FG: 659
1945 - Shot down by F6F: 247
1945 - Shot down by FM: 94

The Japanese fighter losses for 1945 by type break down as:
A6M series - 874
Ki-43- 229
Ki-61- 185
Ki-44 - 196
Ki-27- 109
Ki-84 (“Frank”) - 144
J2M - 39
N1K series (“George”) - 35
Unidentified or Other VF - 189

US Navy records also provide some interesting information from the last year of the war, 1 September 1944 to 15 August 1945, in terms of specific US fighter types versus specific Japanese fighter types.


Format is US VF Type vs Japanese VF Type - US Credits to Known US Loss.

F6F vs A6M series - 1000 to 75
F6F vs Ki-43 - 396 to 26
F6F vs Ki-61 - 275 to 11
F6F vs Ki-44 - 283 to 9
F6F vs Ki-84 - 114 to 12
F6F vs J2M - 33 to 9
F6F vs N1K series - 28 to 0
F6F vs Ki-27 - 59 to 1
F6F vs Unknown SE VF Type - 90 to 6
TOTAL F6F vs Japanese VF Types - 2314 to 149

F4U or FG vs A6M series - 327 to 27
F4U or FG vs Ki-43 - 46 to 1
F4U or FG vs Ki-61 - 60 to 2
F4U or FG vs Ki-44 - 53 to 4
F4U or FG vs Ki-84 - 28 to 4
F4U or FG vs J2M - 9 to 3
F4U or FG vs N1K series - 7 to 0
F4U or FG vs Ki-27 - 82 to 1
F4U or FG vs Unknown SE VF Type - 3 to 0
TOTAL F4U or FG vs Japanese VF Types - 634 to 42

FM vs A6M series - 87 to 2
FM vs Ki-43 - 38 to 3
FM vs Ki-61 - 29 to 0
FM vs Ki-44 - 17 to 2
FM vs J2M - 1 to 0
FM vs Ki-27 - 1 to 0
FM vs Unknown SE VF Type - 10 to 0
TOTAL FM vs Japanese VF Types - 183 to 7

3 USN Types vs A6M series - 1414 to 104
3 USN Types vs Ki-43 - 480 to 30
3 USN Types vs Ki-61 - 364 to 13
3 USN Types vs Ki-44 - 353 to 15
3 USN Types vs Ki-84 - 142 to 16
3 USN Types vs J2M - 43 to 12
3 USN Types vs N1K series - 35 to 0
3 USN Types vs Ki-27 - 142 to 2
3 USN Types vs Unknown SE VF Type - 103 to 6
TOTAL 3 USN Types vs Japanese VF Types - 3131 to 198


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