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December 19th, 2003, 08:27 PM
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I apologize for my last post about angels. I understand that has nothing to do with weapons and it won't happen again. Anyway, I wanted to know if the American forces had sniper rifles that weren't bolt action. I'm pretty sure that the Germans had built one called the Gewhr 43 which brings up the question, did we ever build something of the likes? Thankyou.
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December 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
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As far as I'm aware, US and British sniping weapons throughout the war were bolt-action.
You're quite right, the Germans produced the Gewehr 43 in a sniping version ( the weapon was designed from the outset with this use in mind ). Also, the MP44 was tested extensively with telescopic sights but, with its low-powered cartridge, could not be considered as an accurate long-range weapon.
Soviet forces also used sniping variants of the Tokarev Model 1938 & 1940 (SVT) semi-automatic rifle.
From what I have read, individual snipers in WWII ( and since, for that matter ) often preferred a bolt-action rifle for the reason that the greater moving bolt mass in a semi-auto tends to throw the sight way off the aim after a shot, making it very difficult for the sniper to gauge effect.
A bolt-action, of course, has recoil ( which can be controlled by a skilled shot ) but no moving mass.
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December 19th, 2003, 09:54 PM
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the americans made M1 Garand sniper rifles but i'm not sure if they ever saw any action in WWII, pacific theater maybe? i know that they did in Korea though.
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December 20th, 2003, 12:35 AM
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I think that snipers with semi-automatic sniper rifles would be better off if the enemy stormed their position because they would be able to shoot much more quickly than with a bolt action rifle. Speaking of which, did American snipers just use their sidearm for close combat, or did they use their sniper rifle?
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December 20th, 2003, 01:52 AM
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Originally posted by 5-0-duce:
the americans made M1 Garand sniper rifles but i'm not sure if they ever saw any action in WWII, pacific theater maybe? i know that they did in Korea though.
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I understand that the Garand sniper rifle was the standard issue from the time of D-Day on; perhaps earlier in the PTO, but snipers tended to choose their own weapon and the Springfield seems to have been favoured by the old hands.
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December 20th, 2003, 02:41 AM
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Yeah, to be honest if I was in World War 2 and I had to choose a sniper rifle, I'd definitely pick the Springfield '03.
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December 20th, 2003, 04:19 AM
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THE M1-D GARAND SNIPER RIFLE
This rare firearm was adopted during World War II and saw continued service through the Korean and Vietnam Wars. The most noteable difference between the M1-D and the standard M1 Service rifle lies in the scope mounting system. The "D" incorporates a special barrel which is fitted with an integral mounting block or "base". The scope mount is attached to this by a large knurled knob, allowing for easy installation and removal of the telescope unit. The M84 scope is steel bodied with an adjustable post and cross hair sighting system. It's unique and rugged design allows for complete disassembly and repair as well a field-simple adjustments for windage and elevation.
Here's some information that I posted in the interesting facts on weapons about the M1 sniper. 
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December 20th, 2003, 09:32 AM
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Mind you, IMHO if a sniper were to be stormed by the enemy, he's doing something wrong.... 
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December 20th, 2003, 11:47 AM
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Actually IIRC the biggest benefit of a semi-automatic sniper rifle is that you do not have to disturb your position to cock the rifle, with a bolt action rifle you have to move your arm to cock the weapon which will change your aiming point albeit slightly, this is not so with a semi-auto.
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December 20th, 2003, 03:50 PM
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True, but with a full-power cartridge semi-auto the recoiling bolt tends to change the position for you whether you like it or not !
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December 21st, 2003, 01:30 AM
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Well, that's very true Martinbull. If a sniper does get stormed by the enemy he probably is doing something wrong 
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December 21st, 2003, 05:44 PM
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The better snipers of WW2 had a spotter, who ussually had an SMG on hand. This was the case with Soviet snipers, they packed PPsH's to gaurd the snipers should they come under fire.
I prefer the Mosin. Best looking rifle of WW2, IMO. And most of the 'top' snipers would agree with me.. Simo, the Russian snipers (hell there are a lot of them.. lol)
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December 21st, 2003, 06:51 PM
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I thought the Russians had such a shortage of weapons that there snipers had spotters who carried the ammo and if the sniper was killed, the spotter would take the rifle and continue.
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December 21st, 2003, 07:49 PM
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In some cases, most likely. However, in general, the spotters had a PPsH, if I recall correctly..
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Re: American Sniper Rifles
The M1 Garrand was sometimes fitted with a scope and the M3, a variant of the M1 Carbine, had a scope on it.
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